Turfontein 12/03/16

Bob Brogan wrote: We should start a thread "punters shagged again"

Was there a warning issued RE about how "ready" Captain America was today?

Rule 62.1 states "every HORSE shall be run and shall be allowed to run to the best of its ability and on its merits.

Now interesting that "merit" and "ability" are the same thing in the NHA definition of a merit rating .......................so when horse "needed the run badly" and/or are prepping are they in breach of this rule?
If a horse rated 110 is prepping what would be a reasonable rated run when needing the run?.................at what point is the horses not "trying"...............if a horse is not fit/sound enough to win ,its not trying,based on intent, when nominated.......................regardless of how its ridden!

Bob Brogan wrote: We should start a thread "punters shagged again"

Was there a warning issued RE about how "ready" Captain America was today?

it is close to a criminal offence

rob faux wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote: We should start a thread "punters shagged again"

Was there a warning issued RE about how "ready" Captain America was today?

Rule 62.1 states "every HORSE shall be run and shall be allowed to run to the best of its ability and on its merits.

Now interesting that "merit" and "ability" are the same thing in the NHA definition of a merit rating .......................so when horse "needed the run badly" and/or are prepping are they in breach of this rule?
If a horse rated 110 is prepping what would be a reasonable rated run when needing the run?.................at what point is the horses not "trying"...............if a horse is not fit/sound enough to win ,its not trying,based on intent, when nominated.......................regardless of how its ridden!

Some horses (most?) can only be brought to peak fitness having a race....so can one blame a trainer if he has done what was in his mind enough to get the horse to run on merit ....always impossible to regulate imo

Got to be a review there

Frodo wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote: We should start a thread "punters shagged again"

Was there a warning issued RE about how "ready" Captain America was today?

Rule 62.1 states "every HORSE shall be run and shall be allowed to run to the best of its ability and on its merits.

Now interesting that "merit" and "ability" are the same thing in the NHA definition of a merit rating .......................so when horse "needed the run badly" and/or are prepping are they in breach of this rule?
If a horse rated 110 is prepping what would be a reasonable rated run when needing the run?.................at what point is the horses not "trying"...............if a horse is not fit/sound enough to win ,its not trying,based on intent, when nominated.......................regardless of how its ridden!

Some horses (most?) can only be brought to peak fitness having a race....so can one blame a trainer if he has done what was in his mind enough to get the horse to run on merit ....always impossible to regulate imo

Frodo,we hear that as an excuse often,but it begs 2 questions?
a)Why is this true in South Africa ,but not elsewhere?.........the flat season is about to start in the UK .................look how many horses are entered straight into listed and group races!
b)If a rule cannot be regulated it shouldn't exist!!!!!!!!..............said it before rules must either be enforced,amended so they can be enforced, or deleted!

I tend to agree that you can' blame stables for operating within the easiest norms allowed by the regulators .....................most of us used to drink at the races and drive home ,and now that its regulated,we take UBER!!!!!!!

They had a review Dave, but I am astonished there was no objection, Miss Wales would have walked past Chinawhite, who came across and whacked her out of her stride. I have seen results changed for far far less

That was much worse than the last two July's

Aghh they could'nt spoil the old man day :lol:

Guys im more bothered that this has happened on at least 3 times this season with horses that the guys in the tote adore, these horses have a following longer than the Sambezi

Some interesting points to debate................firstly the 'run on merit' issue ....imo the rule is so vague that it can just as well be scrapped.......does 'run on merit' mean that every horse should always step into a race ready to run to his / her rating ..........if so with most horses that is impossible to accomplish ....as imo most horses need to a race or two to get back to best....no matter how much work they did 'back home'. And if it means that a horse should run as 'well as he can' given the lack of a 'come-back run, it is even more difficult to enforce....as who is to say that a horse ran as 'well as he can' ....does he have to run at least 5 points below his MR, or 8 or 10 .....so for me rather scrap that rule as it is impossible to enforce......and I'm sorry if punters feel they are being treated unfairly, but in most cases it is clear for all to see when a horse is being prepped.....and in these cases it usually means nothing if a horse is rated 10 or 12 points clear .....

Secondly we have that old 'objection' chestnut....again it has always been a contentious issue and always will be .....it is like that ball stolen on the ground by the Chiefs this morning ....sometimes the stipes get it wrong (and there will always be a difference in opinion whether they actually did)....for me I thought there was no way Miss Wales would have beaten China White as CW went away in the end again .....different story had it been a shd defeat

In summary racing is not a perfect science ....we are dealing with flesh and blood ....and if you can't stand the heat ......

Just my opinion.....

Frodo, not arguing the point by any means but... do not forget, plenty punters never think about a horse being prepped, they study the form for that race and that race alone. "We" (I am not one of the "we", I am a mug in this instance) may call them "mugs" but they should not be forgotten, a fair % of the "social punters" in a bookies won't have a clue about a horse being run to be ready for a different race. Never even give such things a moment's thought. It is partly why transparency is such a must but it is clear the haves would mostly keep it that way. An absolute disgrace imo but it is the world of SA racing in which we live.

Englander i fully agree with you,but with Frodo too!
So my question is,where do i find the grey area,which there has to be?