Bring back first timer rule and couplings

Since we have no barrier trials or workouts is it not better then to include first timers in all win type bets (win, jpot, p6, double p3). I think couplings should also be included in these bets for the same reason they were introduced in the first place.

why make racing any harder than it already is ....

I also believe horses who've been rested for six months or more should be treated as scratchings - coupled with the fav - as nobody knows their condition except the trainer.

Punters support the sport, then our suggestions are treated as complaints or gripes

unless your last name is bloomberg or maree nobody will listen to you in racing.

There is absolutely no qualification or measure for a pure racing position ie presenter ,tipster or any specific operational duties,so it follows that the encumbents are very defensive and their attitude tends to be that anyone who works in the industry is an expert (even those with low intellect and very little experience) and any forumite ,regardless of their background experience or how long they may have participated in racing,,are clueless.
It is why ,in the main , anybody who works within the industry who posts, talks down to forumites with a "you do not know what you are talking about" attitude ...............including those who aren't even particularly successful in their own chosen area of the industry.
Some ,it would seem ,are even designated by the establishment to participate in certain threads to try and deflect criticism from the establishment,by belittling opinions.

Both Robert Bloomberg and Darryl Maree (and there are a couple of others) who the inner circle tried to ignore,and discard, have by virtue of their knowledge,caused their opinions to be recognized and even embraced, instead of becoming labelled as part of the lunatic fringe.
Racing is fearful of more people like them having any influence IMO.

I cannot agree to anything that makes these bets easier and more beige.

I spoke to a friend who was a trainer in his youth, and he said the PA helped him make ends meet most of the time.

In a nutshell, racing has neglected a vital reality, and that is inflation. Inflation has watered down all the intensity in racing with the possible exception of buying yearlings which is still based in real economics.

The PA my friend is talking about was in a time when R10 was the big note in your wallet but mostly you had R1 notes, and a line in your perm cost you 50c and there was no fractional.

We probably don't need fractional anymore. The quickest fix isn't to tinker with the rules, but probably to sign off fractional betting and maybe up it to a R1 line too.

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Mini Tycoon wrote: I cannot agree to anything that makes these bets easier and more beige.

I spoke to a friend who was a trainer in his youth, and he said the PA helped him make ends meet most of the time.

In a nutshell, racing has neglected a vital reality, and that is inflation. Inflation has watered down all the intensity in racing with the possible exception of buying yearlings which is still based in real economics.

The PA my friend is talking about was in a time when R10 was the big note in your wallet but mostly you had R1 notes, and a line in your perm cost you 50c and there was no fractional.

We probably don't need fractional anymore. The quickest fix isn't to tinker with the rules, but probably to sign off fractional betting and maybe up it to a R1 line too.

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MiniT, without fractional betting how will anyone afford a R4600 pick6? in a race with three of four first timers and three or four form horses which one will you back?

Mini Tycoon


certainly makes sense and after reading his thread i must admit that his logic is well founded.

By changing the factions from any % to a minimum of 10% could have a very positive affect…...

keniza999 wrote:

Mini Tycoon wrote: I cannot agree to anything that makes these bets easier and more beige.

I spoke to a friend who was a trainer in his youth, and he said the PA helped him make ends meet most of the time.

In a nutshell, racing has neglected a vital reality, and that is inflation. Inflation has watered down all the intensity in racing with the possible exception of buying yearlings which is still based in real economics.

The PA my friend is talking about was in a time when R10 was the big note in your wallet but mostly you had R1 notes, and a line in your perm cost you 50c and there was no fractional.

We probably don't need fractional anymore. The quickest fix isn't to tinker with the rules, but probably to sign off fractional betting and maybe up it to a R1 line too.

Free advice: 6% comm on profits poste restante abc

MiniT, without fractional betting how will anyone afford a R4600 pick6? in a race with three of four first timers and three or four form horses which one will you back?

I agree, a bet like the PA should be full unit only. This should have the effect of bigger pools and better payouts. I really don't think the punter is going to boycott the PA if it were in effect. More so, I think they would look at smaller perms but bigger payouts.

1ST 11 Our Mate Art (aus) - F.T
2ND 9 Lord Balmoral (aus) - F.T
3RD 1 Impressed - Tote Fav

just one of many examples that make racing a guessing game but does it have to be?

I have to agree with mini tycoon (but with Keniza too)
When i started racing exotics cost 50c a line and all other bets R1.
The inflationary effect would take those figures to at least R5 and R10.
If those were the costs, with the minimum fraction of 20%, it would never have been necessary to do away with couplings or the first timer rules(ie the ones that put the general punter at a disadvantage over the insiders)and yet would have achieved the goal of being more difficult to catch, and bigger dividends!

link this thread to the one 'how to fund racing' and we'll be making progress. At the end of the day racing's income is derived from punting. More income, more money for stakes, and funds resource that can go towards additional needs such as grooms' support etc.
But, until punters need for consistent, fair and transparent information is treated as priority, the shrinkage of racing will continue.