unraced horses are a daylight robbery

naresh wrote: Certain first timers when they do win at long odds some breeding enthusiasts do find them.
If there are runners making their debut in a race, then dont wager a bet in the race if it going to cause you agony.

In America, I know all track work outs are timed.

Titch wrote: Its a lose lose situation for owners trainers and any so called "insiders" coz when information is openly divulged and the horse in question runs according to expectations then all is good but when a horse runs a bad race the source gets unfairly shot down in flames and accused of being a disinformant with an ulterior motive working with the mythical 'bookies', and the insults are without exception far more vociferous than any thank you that may be expressed when the information works out right, ultimately shoulders are shrugged and said folk rightly move on and choose not to express their thoughts any longer, there can be little doubt that should there be time trials and a horse shows nothing in them then comes out and wins the same insults will fly re hiding a horse away in the time trial, which are basically the same as the July gallops, I have been watching the HK gallops since Gav has been over there and not only do they show very little but have no real bearing on the betting ...