Talktothestars 10 october

From nhra handicapping guidelines.....


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Sand and Turf Ratings
1. Sand and Turf ratings will be treated independently of one another, once established. (Wins and places are cumulative
on both surfaces).
2. A horse must run at least three times on both surfaces before it qualifies to have dual ratings, however the
handicappers must be satisfied that there is a discernable difference between the two ratings.
3. Should a 2 or 3-year-old horse which has form on one surface go on to show improvement on another surface, it is
reasonable to assume that the horse has improved with maturity. If the rating goes up on one surface the rating on the
other surface may increase at the discretion of the handicapper.
4. When a horse with 10 or fewer starts goes from one surface to another and shows a 10 ratings or more improvement
on the other surface, the rating on the other surface may be adjusted to 50 % of the difference between the two
ratings when next nominated on the other surface.
5. Should a horse be absent from a particular surface for a period of more than six months, the lesser of the two ratings
may lapse. A return to the other surface after this time will necessitate a reassessment at the handicappers’
discretion.
6. The handicappers reserve the right to use the higher rating on the inferior surface should a horse have made
improvement over a different aptitude, gelding , equipment change etc.
7. A horse returning from a layoff will retain both ratings.
8. 210 day layoff allowance will apply to both ratings to the date of last run.
9. Margins on the Vaal Sand to be treated at 75 % of normal length/ distance factor. (1/2 margins apply to Kimberley).

neigh wrote: OTA, I have Elusivenchantment coming back after a 3 month rest on Sunday, there are no races for her in Natal, time is running out for her to be race fit for bigger races. She carries 63kg over a distance short of her best. Do you think for one minute the instructions would to be win at all cost ? Now does this make me/trainer guilty of what ? She is going out to do her best, if she wins great but if she doesnt.......can somebody say she was just having an outing ? Maybe....how would you prove it ?
Just an example of a given situation forced on us/horse. Its never straight forward bud.

you bring up a good point neigh..im sure the horse will go out trying but at the end of the day this.race is not his main mission and punters should take it with a pinch of salt that he may or may not win even though his race figure on paper states he should win it.

neigh wrote: OTA, I have Elusivenchantment coming back after a 3 month rest on Sunday, there are no races for her in Natal, time is running out for her to be race fit for bigger races. She carries 63kg over a distance short of her best. Do you think for one minute the instructions would to be win at all cost ? Now does this make me/trainer guilty of what ? She is going out to do her best, if she wins great but if she doesnt.......can somebody say she was just having an outing ? Maybe....how would you prove it ?
Just an example of a given situation forced on us/horse. Its never straight forward bud.

In terms of the rules your trainer is committing an offence. The law however is an ass in this regard, and explains the reason why nobody has been prosecuted in this regard. My point is simple - why have these rules if they are not or cannot be enforced? The losers here are the punters who blindly punt/banker a horse who is not trying.

In the UK and France horses never need come back runs. They are always tried at their proper distance even on debut they can run over 2400m. Some runners can run in the Guineas without even having a run during the whole winter.

Opened up 1/20 by LM BOOKMAKER


(Dave Scott's type of odds :whistle: :woohoo: )

Only seen Frankel at that odds before...

Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Opened up 1/20 by LM BOOKMAKER


(Dave Scott's type of odds :whistle: :woohoo: )

Only seen Frankel at that odds before...

1/4 with wsb

Bob Brogan wrote:

Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Opened up 1/20 by LM BOOKMAKER


(Dave Scott's type of odds :whistle: :woohoo: )

Only seen Frankel at that odds before...

1/4 with wsb

Thats a serious drift. It must be no good :whistle:

Over the Air wrote:

neigh wrote: OTA, I have Elusivenchantment coming back after a 3 month rest on Sunday, there are no races for her in Natal, time is running out for her to be race fit for bigger races. She carries 63kg over a distance short of her best. Do you think for one minute the instructions would to be win at all cost ? Now does this make me/trainer guilty of what ? She is going out to do her best, if she wins great but if she doesnt.......can somebody say she was just having an outing ? Maybe....how would you prove it ?
Just an example of a given situation forced on us/horse. Its never straight forward bud.

In terms of the rules your trainer is committing an offence. The law however is an ass in this regard, and explains the reason why nobody has been prosecuted in this regard. My point is simple - why have these rules if they are not or cannot be enforced? The losers here are the punters who blindly punt/banker a horse who is not trying.

I queried both the "run on merit" and "consistency" rules directly with the NHA.I was concerned that neither had ever been officially enforced (in spite of many offences)
There was an exchange of correspondence and the answers I got, merely served to concern me more!!!!!!!

13/20 at wsb now looks too big

Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Opened up 1/20 by LM BOOKMAKER


(Dave Scott's type of odds :whistle: :woohoo: )

Only seen Frankel at that odds before...

And Black Caviar

The missing link wrote: 13/20 at wsb now looks too big

My goodness. The bargain of the year?

Its 1/4 wsb