SAP - Africa team suspended
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7 years 11 months agoFlowers wrote:Muhtiman wrote:.....Transnet required the SAP products.....how they were provided is in question....the guilty are those that specified that they had to be provided indirectly..... :huh:Flowers wrote:louisg wrote: Flowers
Why don't u also identify yourself, seeing as you use Brett Parker's name so openly. Brett is a good friend and an Owner of mine. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Louis your a nice honest guy I thought. Based on the above you and Duduzane are like one. The Guptahs are good friends too. Wake up I'll gotten gains for SAP and now you with horses to train are same same
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You lot are identical to Jimmy Manyi and BLF singing the Guptahs praises. SAP SA were complicit in a R100M corrupt activity . Wake up corporate SA at times as bad as politicians.
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....said it before ....not condoning or supporting Gupta activities....if corruption is to be stopped or slowed down.... it has to start with government and charge them then it will be ended and big business would not need to use what is termed as preferential suppliers set up by these parastatals which are the mechanisms for moving slush funds to the out streched palms..... :blush:
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7 years 11 months ago
Can someone not get the Guppies to buy abc ?

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I feel the normal man in the street and business men, are sick of the government of this country and feel if they dont show any respect and are open to untouched corruption, why the hell should the nation of tax payers, not also be part of the
AFRICAN culture .........
Sad situation, we are rotten from the top
AFRICAN culture .........
Sad situation, we are rotten from the top
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7 years 11 months agoBob Brogan wrote: Can someone not get the Guppies to buy abc ?
Bob dont trust them, they will ask for the nameless, shameless posters to come clean
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7 years 11 months ago
What's the price to the Guptas?
Can I have 10 percent ? Where must I send my invoice ?
(That should extract a post from Flowers, so that I can further trace him.... my IT guy nearly there folks !)
Sorry if the site goes down for a while like Formgrids ... Bob cannot or wont help me find this person, but i must find this wanker, who is allowed to post anonymously on ABC, after having recently joined... !!
Can I have 10 percent ? Where must I send my invoice ?
(That should extract a post from Flowers, so that I can further trace him.... my IT guy nearly there folks !)
Sorry if the site goes down for a while like Formgrids ... Bob cannot or wont help me find this person, but i must find this wanker, who is allowed to post anonymously on ABC, after having recently joined... !!
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7 years 11 months ago
Louisg what has your owner been accused of doing,in layman terms?
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Absolutely nothing that I know of. The WHOLE board has been suspended and an Investigation is still taking place. . Yet only ONE name is mentioned here.....
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7 years 11 months ago - 7 years 11 months agolouisg wrote: Absolutely nothing that I know of. The WHOLE board has been suspended and an Investigation is still taking place. . Yet only ONE name is mentioned here.....
Yes I find it strange that an individual is receiving the attention that he has when there are far bigger examples of Gupta involvement in racing. KPMG have been shamed into doing a similar exercise to what has happened at SAP and their CEO has been dismissed along with 8 other members of senior management. There has been a wave of companies who have fired KPMG as their auditors due to their links with the Guptas.
I wonder why Phumelela have not done so?
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As global companies implicated in a graft scandal in South Africa scramble to contain the damage to their reputations, politicians and law enforcement agencies are prevaricating and stalling official investigations.
The scandal has revolved around members of the wealthy Gupta family, who are friends of President Jacob Zuma and have been accused of looting billions of rand in taxpayer funds and exerting undue influence over the state. Accountants KPMG, public relations firm Bell Pottinger, consultancy McKinsey and software company SAP are among the companies that have been implicated in facilitating, being party to or turning a blind eye to their deals. Zuma and the Guptas deny wrongdoing.
Eight top executives at KPMG’s South African office have quit, Bell Pottinger has collapsed and McKinsey and SAP have suspended or put staff on leave and initiated internal probes. Yet South African authorities haven’t arrested or prosecuted anyone despite the nation’s former public protector and the local media highlighting numerous allegations of wrongdoing.
The scandal’s most telling damage has been to the reputation of the state, the presidency and the ruling African National Congress. Zuma is challenging a directive issued 10 months ago by the ombudsman for the chief justice to establish a judicial commission to probe the allegations and hasn’t followed through on a pledge to set up his own inquiry. While parliament has told four parliamentary committees to conduct probes, only one has scheduled public hearings that are due to begin next week.
Leadership failure
“While there is an elaborate regulatory framework and constitution in place to keep the state in check, in practice we have seen that circumvented and not responded to,” Jay Kruuse, the director of the Public Service Accountability Monitor at Rhodes University in the southern town of Grahamstown, said by phone.
“The checks and balances in the state have been progressively weakened. Investigations drag on and on. It’s a consequence of a failure in leadership across the board.”
Power struggles and a lack of leadership within the investigative agencies may be contributing to the inaction. The police and its elite anti-corruption police unit known as the Hawks both have acting leaders, while the chief prosecutor has been accused by opposition parties and civil-rights groups of being politically aligned to Zuma’s allies.
Business concessions
The allegations leveled against the Guptas include offering cabinet posts to officials in exchange for business concessions with Zuma’s consent, using their political clout to get allies appointed to the boards of state companies and diverting state funds meant to be used for a dairy farm to fund a family wedding.
Much of the detail of the family’s dealings emerged from thousand of their emails, which were leaked to the amaBhungane Centre for Investigative Journalism and Scorpio, the Daily Maverick news website’s investigative unit. While the family says the mails are fake, several cabinet ministers and other officials who were mentioned in some of the correspondence confirmed their authenticity.
Zuma is attending the United Nations general assembly in New York and his spokesperson Bongani Ngqulunga didn’t answer a call to his mobile phone. Gary Naidoo, a spokesperson for the Gupta family, didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment.
Ongoing investigations
The National Prosecuting Authority says its investigations into the allegations against the Guptas and politicians and other senior officials are ongoing, and denies there have been undue delays in pressing charges.
“My silence does not mean that no work is being done,” chief prosecutor Shaun Abrahams told lawmakers in Cape Town on September 6.
The Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party, has led calls for companies that dealt with the Guptas to be investigated and penalised. It filed a complaint against public relations firm Bell Pottinger for fostering racial divisions in South Africa with the main industry group in the UK, which led to its expulsion and forced it into administration.
The DA has also requested that McKinsey’s domestic and US representatives be called before lawmakers to explain some of the work it did with a company linked to the Guptas for Eskom. On Monday, the party said it intends bringing charges of fraud, racketeering and collusion against the consultancy.
Improper intervention
Like McKinsey and SAP, KPMG ordered an internal inquiry after it was implicated in the leaked mails. The accounting firm’s probe found that the work it did for the Guptas fell “considerably short” of its auditing standards and criticised its role in advising a company controlled by the family on the acquisition of a coal mine from Glencore in a transaction in which Mines Minister Mosebenzi Zwane has been accused of improperly intervening.
It also said four KPMG partners shouldn’t have attended the Gupta family wedding at the gambling resort of Sun City that was alleged to have been funded by taxpayers. KPMG employs 3 400 people in South Africa, according to Business Times newspaper. Barclays Africa and Investec have said they are considering ending their relationship with the audit firm.
Public and corporate governance go hand-in-hand and slippage will negatively affect the South Africa’s ability to attract foreign investment, said Russell Lamberti, a chief strategist at ETM Investment Services in Cape Town.
“If we maintain a corrupt government, it’s not going to be very easy for corporate South Africa to stay clean,” he said. “I don’t see signs of a systemic problem yet, but unless we clean up government then you can see how this starts to suck more people down with it.”
The scandal has revolved around members of the wealthy Gupta family, who are friends of President Jacob Zuma and have been accused of looting billions of rand in taxpayer funds and exerting undue influence over the state. Accountants KPMG, public relations firm Bell Pottinger, consultancy McKinsey and software company SAP are among the companies that have been implicated in facilitating, being party to or turning a blind eye to their deals. Zuma and the Guptas deny wrongdoing.
Eight top executives at KPMG’s South African office have quit, Bell Pottinger has collapsed and McKinsey and SAP have suspended or put staff on leave and initiated internal probes. Yet South African authorities haven’t arrested or prosecuted anyone despite the nation’s former public protector and the local media highlighting numerous allegations of wrongdoing.
The scandal’s most telling damage has been to the reputation of the state, the presidency and the ruling African National Congress. Zuma is challenging a directive issued 10 months ago by the ombudsman for the chief justice to establish a judicial commission to probe the allegations and hasn’t followed through on a pledge to set up his own inquiry. While parliament has told four parliamentary committees to conduct probes, only one has scheduled public hearings that are due to begin next week.
Leadership failure
“While there is an elaborate regulatory framework and constitution in place to keep the state in check, in practice we have seen that circumvented and not responded to,” Jay Kruuse, the director of the Public Service Accountability Monitor at Rhodes University in the southern town of Grahamstown, said by phone.
“The checks and balances in the state have been progressively weakened. Investigations drag on and on. It’s a consequence of a failure in leadership across the board.”
Power struggles and a lack of leadership within the investigative agencies may be contributing to the inaction. The police and its elite anti-corruption police unit known as the Hawks both have acting leaders, while the chief prosecutor has been accused by opposition parties and civil-rights groups of being politically aligned to Zuma’s allies.
Business concessions
The allegations leveled against the Guptas include offering cabinet posts to officials in exchange for business concessions with Zuma’s consent, using their political clout to get allies appointed to the boards of state companies and diverting state funds meant to be used for a dairy farm to fund a family wedding.
Much of the detail of the family’s dealings emerged from thousand of their emails, which were leaked to the amaBhungane Centre for Investigative Journalism and Scorpio, the Daily Maverick news website’s investigative unit. While the family says the mails are fake, several cabinet ministers and other officials who were mentioned in some of the correspondence confirmed their authenticity.
Zuma is attending the United Nations general assembly in New York and his spokesperson Bongani Ngqulunga didn’t answer a call to his mobile phone. Gary Naidoo, a spokesperson for the Gupta family, didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment.
Ongoing investigations
The National Prosecuting Authority says its investigations into the allegations against the Guptas and politicians and other senior officials are ongoing, and denies there have been undue delays in pressing charges.
“My silence does not mean that no work is being done,” chief prosecutor Shaun Abrahams told lawmakers in Cape Town on September 6.
The Democratic Alliance, the main opposition party, has led calls for companies that dealt with the Guptas to be investigated and penalised. It filed a complaint against public relations firm Bell Pottinger for fostering racial divisions in South Africa with the main industry group in the UK, which led to its expulsion and forced it into administration.
The DA has also requested that McKinsey’s domestic and US representatives be called before lawmakers to explain some of the work it did with a company linked to the Guptas for Eskom. On Monday, the party said it intends bringing charges of fraud, racketeering and collusion against the consultancy.
Improper intervention
Like McKinsey and SAP, KPMG ordered an internal inquiry after it was implicated in the leaked mails. The accounting firm’s probe found that the work it did for the Guptas fell “considerably short” of its auditing standards and criticised its role in advising a company controlled by the family on the acquisition of a coal mine from Glencore in a transaction in which Mines Minister Mosebenzi Zwane has been accused of improperly intervening.
It also said four KPMG partners shouldn’t have attended the Gupta family wedding at the gambling resort of Sun City that was alleged to have been funded by taxpayers. KPMG employs 3 400 people in South Africa, according to Business Times newspaper. Barclays Africa and Investec have said they are considering ending their relationship with the audit firm.
Public and corporate governance go hand-in-hand and slippage will negatively affect the South Africa’s ability to attract foreign investment, said Russell Lamberti, a chief strategist at ETM Investment Services in Cape Town.
“If we maintain a corrupt government, it’s not going to be very easy for corporate South Africa to stay clean,” he said. “I don’t see signs of a systemic problem yet, but unless we clean up government then you can see how this starts to suck more people down with it.”
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7 years 11 months ago
A number of years ago I had a friend who worked for one of the biggest engineering
companies in the world.He did so well for them in South Africa that he moved up and given a senior position in Europe
At the first meeting he attended a major multi billion dollar deal was discussed and the
relevant country manager reassured the Board that the necessary commission had been paid
to that cousin of the Leader of the country and the order would be given within days
He discovered it was a common practice and had gone on for years
companies in the world.He did so well for them in South Africa that he moved up and given a senior position in Europe
At the first meeting he attended a major multi billion dollar deal was discussed and the
relevant country manager reassured the Board that the necessary commission had been paid
to that cousin of the Leader of the country and the order would be given within days
He discovered it was a common practice and had gone on for years
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In my opinion corruption/ unethical behaviour is a world wide phenomenon.
Everyone here speaks of the "African" way , what this actually means is that the perpetrators don't have the eloquence, education and ability to commit complex fraud , as their counterparts in other parts of the world.
The real devils of the world come very well disguised.
Everyone here speaks of the "African" way , what this actually means is that the perpetrators don't have the eloquence, education and ability to commit complex fraud , as their counterparts in other parts of the world.
The real devils of the world come very well disguised.
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Sasfin has severed ties with KPMG after 18 years. Wonder if this is the start of a mass exodus...feel for the innocent employees of KPMG wrt the uncertainty.
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