Ghost Rider ineligable ?

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Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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There is an email doing the rounds, which I have had a glimpse of, which claims that the runner, Ghost Rider, who ran at Turfontein yesterday 8 July, was ineligible to run as it was sold at the recent Super Sale by an entity, Rainbow Beach Trading, which is not registered with the NHA.
Apparently Ghost Rider was sold by Rainbow Beach Trading (through Bloodstock South Africa) to Central Route Trading, which it is claimed is also not registered with the NHA.
If this in fact the case, what is the status of other horses sold by Rainbow Beach Trading at the Super Sale or those bought by Central Route Trading ?

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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BSA can sign any change of ownership..

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

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I may be wrong Bob but the complaint is not about BSA signing any change of ownership.

I had a quick look at the sale results.
The gelding is not registered in the name of Chris Van Niekerk's company which sold the horse to the Grant Knowles Company.

The gelding is owned by van Niekerk and the Jooste owned Mayfair company.

Since the gelding was sold by a non registered owner to another non registered owner for R120 000, how could the horse have run in the colours of van Niekerk and Mayfair?

Owners of a horse can only sell a horse on Auction. How did the Van Niekerk owned Rainbow Beach Company become the Vendor and get to sell the horse?

In all horse auctions, the owner has to be disclosed and the ownership rules of the NHA have to be followed. I have seen many horses sold by stud farms as Agents for the owner. These sales were not on that basis.

It seems as if the Consumer Protection Act may not have been complied with by the auctioneers, buyers and sellers.
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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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As I understand it, the selling and buying of horses is NOT regulated by NHRA. Breeding registration and racing owner registration is. So long as a horse was properly registered by the breeder, and subsequently acquired by a registered owner, then it can run. It doesn’t matter who else has owned it in between.

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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Peter D, as a breeder and owner, you should know that that registration of ownership is regulated by the NHA.
Have a look at rule 41 and other rules. Look at the conditions of sale of the TBA. They require the NHA rules to be complied with.
The TBA should not be selling a horse for an entity that has no privileges and thereafter transfer ownership to another entity that is not an owner.
The NHA cannot register ownership to a new owner who/which is not a privilege holder.
Because a horse is sold on auction does not mean that the NHA must accept the TBA stamp.

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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I do not agree. For example, I as a Trainer can and have on the past, sold horses for Owners, without being registered.
Registration is for Racing purposes.

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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Yes Louis when you sold horses for owners, they were not sold on Auction. The Auction laws make it clear that when you are selling as an agent or buying as an agent you need to disclose this upfront.
I am sure that when you sold the horses you did not sign for the owners. They did so.
I am more sure that when you sold the horses for the owners, the buyers knew from whom they were buying the horse.
The Auction rules were not followed.
Was it right to run Ghost Rider in the names of van Niekerk and Mayfair when it had been sold by Rainbow to the Grant Knowles Company? Obviously not.
They should all hang their heads in shame. The NHRA should apologise for its inability to do a simple task and the responsible people for this should be brought to book.
Instead of disagreeing tell me where I am wrong. Keep in mind that the NHRA has a duty to keep track of ownership of all horses in racing.

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Re: Ghost Rider ineligable ?

7 years 1 month ago
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I see it ran last - tailed off - a case of 'kierankies braai' :lol:

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