Winx .. So that’s how it ends

IMHO Frankel would have beaten her 9/10 times and probably 10/10. His cruising speed and then that almost instant acceleration when asked would have placed him too far in front of her for her to catch him. He was also so versatile in that he could lead of sit in with the same end result.

I think Variety Club would have beaten both of them!

It’s all just ifs and buts

They were both superstars but do you think Frankel is really that much better than the stars of yesteryear?

Shergar, Seasbiscuit? We will never know

Bob Brogan wrote: I think Variety Club would have beaten both of them!

It’s all just ifs and buts

They were both superstars but do you think Frankel is really that much better than the stars of yesteryear?

Shergar, Seasbiscuit? We will never know

Your Variety Club comment explains to me why you turned up punting, Bob! Lol.
I'll put it succinctly so that there is no doubt where I stand : Frankel would have blown Variety Club's brains out.
.....and to answer your question : Yes.
I am quite happy to accept the findings of a 'higher power' ( viz : Timeform) ; who, by careful & diligent analysis/form evaluation , have stuck me into more winners than I could ever have found on my own. They awarded him the highest rating on record to date and I am very comfortable in accepting their evaluation.

Craig Eudey wrote: IMHO Frankel would have beaten her 9/10 times and probably 10/10. His cruising speed and then that almost instant acceleration when asked would have placed him too far in front of her for her to catch him. He was also so versatile in that he could lead of sit in with the same end result.

.....over his best trip on a straight mile course not many would or could have paced it with him or run him down.....over 10 furlong a different story....as for VC a gr8 miler but never had the pace and power to gallop a hard mile the way that Frankel did.....

for me its the goose bump effect.
watching Frankel,Winx, Black Caviar all gave me goose bumps.
Variety Club not so much.
In SA Horse chestnut, National Currency, JJ Jetplane , Ipi Tombi were goosebump horses.
The rest just very good at their time.
USA American Pharoah, california Chrome, song bird stand out for me in recent years. Justify did not do it for me.

I agree with Sly - unfortunately (and of course it is not the horse's fault) VC for me will always be linked to his 'disgraced' owner - and I may be biased, but for me he did not race against the strongest crop; local 'stars' imo include the immaculate grey Wolf Power; JJ, the one and only Horse Chestnut; not really a fundi when it comes to international racing, but if Frankel and WInx can not get your juices flowing, then you are not a fan of horse racing

Always a very open subject and probably impossible to match our feelings with facts and feelings at the time
Just a few inputs from my side
Mill Reef was my fav to punt and to watch
Frankel was very very special as was Nijinsky
Winx a star with amazing record but well placed and never bumped another star in its career ( but certainly goosebumps to watch the races and hype)
Not to take massive criticism but we had a horse in PE winning many many races but also well placed) !!!

Few jumpers were great eg kauto Star however horses like Arkle were the real deal .

States: Secretariat a very special horse

Having an other wee nip

Cheers

I read the other day that the connections of Winx were not happy about sharing the award with Cracksman.

To be fair after winning the Arc and Breeders Cup their is no doubt in my mind that Enable is better than both based on what she acheived

I think Frankel was even better over 10 furlongs. More impressive horses beaten.
That 2012 Juddmont was something to behold!
Best I have ever witnessed, by a while
VC would not even have been horse chestnut over a mile imvho.