Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago
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And these would be my Met ratings :

Rainbow Bridge - 118 (116 in the QP)
Do It Again - 117 (122 in the QP)
Head Honcho - 117 (same as in the Premiers)
Undercover Agent - 115 ( 114 in the QP)
Legal Eagle - 115 (114 in the QP)
Doublemint - 113 (so yes higher than his official rating of 104)
Oh Susanna - 108 (109 in the Paddock)
Kampala Campari - 112

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago
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R9 SUNMET

119 rainbow bridge 124 ... will become 125 today
125 do it again 123
114 head honcho 122 ....getting 8 points
120 undercover agent 120 LINEHORSE
121 legal eagle 120 confim linehorse
104 doublemint 117 ... ran 13 points better than rated...wont get penalised and snaiths going to wrap him up in cotton for the July.
121 oh susanna 117 (112 if you take sex allowance away)
107 kampala kampari 116 ...ran 13 points above rating and wont get penalised . Wrapped in cotton for july!
111 Eyes wide open 114 ...ran 3 points above rating , his best performance in his life to date.
112 Tap o north 109 Confirm linehorse
108 made to conquer 107 confirm linehorse
109 hat puntana 105

I cant see what richard did wrong . The unluckiest horse was legal eagle , he was baulked for a run and had to switch and change strides twice in last 400m and still fly at them . He is still up with the best.
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago - 6 years 4 months ago
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Race 10
Here you have Strathdon who could be used as linehorse with walter smoothie and pacific chesttnut confirming it BUT it was clear they all 3 didnt run to their true ability.
Thw linehorse should infact be 5th placed Gimme one night!!
96 magnificent seven 99
90 dynasty blossom 98 (actually 93 taking away sex allowance )
102 Strathdon 94
83 cedar man 99(he could have won the derby )
91 gimme one night 91 LINEHORSE
98 walter smoothie 89
85 benjan 87 confirm linehorse
102 let it rain 89
86 ollivander 86 confirm linehorse
109 Elusive silva 87
88 pacific chestnut 82
103 ovidio 79
80 woodland forest 81 confirm linehorse

Strathon should have won hands and heals. Fourie got stuck behind horses at a crucial stage that was not suppose to happen had he moved up earlier and put the race to bed 400m out.
Hope it helps a few guys that find it interesting
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago
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Atyaab 17 points to 109 the mind boggles
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Current rating , horse , rating achieved today , linehorse

Race 7 Derby 2000
Also a true run race ! Today they never crawld . This race again 4 other horses can confirm the linehorse that should be taken and its basicly straight forward .

92 atyaab 98 ....handicapper will probably give him 7 points
94 charles 97 ...handicapper will give 3 points
86 Herodotus 93 .... handicapper will give 7 points
93 Bunker hunt 93 linehorse
96 Helens ideal 92
103 santa clara 91
89 senatla 89 confirm linehorse
92 hudoo magic 88
84 sailing lizard 86 confirm linehorse ( put small note to follow in blackbook)
93 Ovation award 85
87 belgorion 83
79 line editor 81 confirm linehorse ( include small note in blackbook)
82 Seattle force 79 confirm linehorse .

The field was poor against other years but Eyes wide shut ran only 4 points better last year when he won than Atyaab.

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago
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The Sun Met

Following careful analysis by Handicappers Lennon Maharaj, Matthew Lips and Vee Moodley, RAINBOW BRIDGE has seen an increase in his merit rating from 119 to 124 following his triumph in the Grade 1 Sun Met at Kenilworth on Saturday 26 January.

It was unanimously agreed amongst the handicapping panel that the correct line horse to use as a means of rating the Sun Met was 4th placed UNDERCOVER AGENT. While he was trying the distance of 2 000m for the first time, it was noted that UNDERCOVER AGENT and 5th placed LEGAL EAGLE finished virtually alongside each other for the third time in succession, having done so too in the Green Point Stakes and later in the L’Ormarins Queen’s Plate. This remarkable consistency shown by both horses at the highest level led to the strong conclusion that UNDERCOVER AGENT would not have run below his best in the Sun Met and that he is therefore a logical choice of line horse.

Thus, RAINBOW BRIDGE is now rated 124, while runner-up DO IT AGAIN (who was second last at the 400m mark) remains a 125 despite this defeat, based on his impressive Queen’s Plate win. HEAD HONCHO, who made a brave attempt to win the Met with pillar-to-post tactics, is now rated 122, up from his pre-Met rating of 114. He has clearly more than confirmed the promise he showed when a runaway winner of the Gr 2 Premier Trophy in December. In rating HEAD HONCHO 122, the handicappers took into account that he had over-raced for much of the 2 000m distance and that he had hung out visibly on the bend, so it is believed to have been a run full of merit and worthy of a 122 rating, LEGAL EAGLE’s rating has been dropped from 121 to 120, which is his season’s best mark, achieved when winning the Green Point Stakes. In other changes, TAP O’NOTH’s rating drops from 112 to 110, 2018 Sun Met winner OH SUSANNA’s rating has been trimmed from 121 to 119, and HAT PUNTANO drops to 106 from 109.



Betting World Cape Flying Championship

KASIMIR’s rating was upped from 111 to 117 after he comfortably landed the day’s first Grade 1 event, the Cape Flying Championship over 1000m. Here, 5th placed TRIP TO HEAVEN was used as the line horse. TRIP TO HEAVEN has consistently shown a similar level of form in major sprint races all around South Africa for a number of years, and it is reasonable to believe that he once again ran his usual race here.

KASIMIR has been clearly progressive in Cape Town this season and was able to win despite meeting several horses on less favourable weight terms than in several recent encounters. This was certainly a career-best effort, and a six pound raise in his rating reflects that. Runner-up BOLD RESPECT, who was comfortably beaten by KASIMIR again despite meeting that rival on 6.5 kgs better terms for a 2.75 lengths beating in the Gr 2 Merchants at Kenilworth last November, has been dropped from 118 to 116 to have him rated below KASIMIR.

Third placed SEARCH PARTY goes up from 106 to 112, while 4th finisher PACIFIC TRADER also goes to 112 from a pre-race mark of 110. In other changes, ATTENBOROUGH was dropped from 112 to 110, 2018 Cape Flying Championship winner SERGEANT HARDY drops from 115 to 112 on the back of numerous below-par efforts, DUTCH PHILP was trimmed from 107 to 106, and ROCKY VALLEY goes to 99 from 101.



GBets Cape Derby

ATYAAB saw his rating climb from 92 to 109 after he won the GBets Cape Derby. Here, the Handicappers were of the opinion that 3rd placed HERODOTUS would not have run worse than when he finished 4th in the Gr 2 Concord Cup won by ONE WORLD last November and used that as a key to rate the Derby. In rating the Derby this way, 5th placed HELEN’S IDEAL runs to the same level of 98 that she achieved when she finished 7th in the Cape Fillies Guineas behind FRONT AND CENTRE in December. There is thus a very neat correlation between the form behind top colt ONE WORLD and top filly FRONT AND CENTRE, and ATYAAB is clearly a progressive colt whose rating is befitting of a Grade 1 winner.

Derby runner-up CHARLES was raised from a rating of 94 to 108, while line horse HERODOTUS now has a rating of 105, which is reflective of his ability and is not subject to the Handicapping guidelines which prevented his rating from being increased to what he actually achieved in the Concord Cup. Derby 4th BUNKER HUNT has had his rating upped from 93 to 104. The only horse whose rating dropped as a result of the Derby is PERPETUAL FLAME, who goes from 84 to 80.



Bidvest Majorca Stakes

CLOUDS UNFOLD was raised from a rating of 109 to 115 after she reversed Cape Fillies Guineas form with hitherto unbeaten FRONT AND CENTRE by winning the Bidvest Majorca Stakes. Here, the Handicappers were of the unanimous opinion that 4th placed FRESNAYE should be used as the line horse to assess the race, having also finished 4th in the Grade 1 Paddock Stakes at her previous start three weeks earlier. In that race FRESNAYE was also beaten by LADY IN BLACK, who beat the line horse again in the Majorca Stakes by finishing 2nd. LADY IN BLACK’s rating remains unchanged on 117.

3rd placed FRONT AND CENTRE has had her rating upped from 110 to 112 . In other changes, last year’s Majorca Stakes winner SNOWDANCE was dropped from 114 to 112, and FIORELLA drops from 106 to 104.



CTS 1200 and CTS 1600

In conclusion, it is noted that the Handicappers’ assessment was vindicated in both of the day’s other R5 million races when the top rated horse won each of the CTS sales events, CIRILLO (rated 111) in the 1200m race and ONE WORLD (rated 117) in the 1600m event, where he and runner-up TWIST OF FATE (rated 115) confirmed their ratings perfectly. These horses thus confirmed the form they had shown throughout the Cape summer racing season.

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago
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Imo all of them too high - especially the Derby - but what do I know ?
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 4 months ago
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......that Derby field was very poor......now they have gone and hobbled a pretty average horse from getting through its 3 year old career......MDK must be glad he never sent one of his better stars.....:ohmy:

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 3 months ago
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Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Will post in following format.
Current rating , horse , rating achieved today , linehorse

Race 7 Derby 2000
Also a true run race ! Today they never crawld . This race again 4 other horses can confirm the linehorse that should be taken and its basicly straight forward .

92 atyaab 98 ....handicapper will probably give him 7 points
94 charles 97 ...handicapper will give 3 points
86 Herodotus 93 .... handicapper will give 7 points
93 Bunker hunt 93 linehorse
96 Helens ideal 92
103 santa clara 91
89 senatla 89 confirm linehorse
92 hudoo magic 88
84 sailing lizard 86 confirm linehorse ( put small note to follow in blackbook)
93 Ovation award 85
87 belgorion 83
79 line editor 81 confirm linehorse ( include small note in blackbook)
82 Seattle force 79 confirm linehorse .

The field was poor against other years but Eyes wide shut ran only 4 points better last year when he won than Atyaab.

www.sportingpost.co.za/2019/02/cape-derby-mr-appeal/

Still overrated in my opinion...would love to see how they got to that figures first time and 2nd time

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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 3 months ago
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Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote:
Zietsman Oosthuizen wrote: Will post in following format.
Current rating , horse , rating achieved today , linehorse

Race 7 Derby 2000
Also a true run race ! Today they never crawld . This race again 4 other horses can confirm the linehorse that should be taken and its basicly straight forward .

92 atyaab 98 ....handicapper will probably give him 7 points
94 charles 97 ...handicapper will give 3 points
86 Herodotus 93 .... handicapper will give 7 points
93 Bunker hunt 93 linehorse
96 Helens ideal 92
103 santa clara 91
89 senatla 89 confirm linehorse
92 hudoo magic 88
84 sailing lizard 86 confirm linehorse ( put small note to follow in blackbook)
93 Ovation award 85
87 belgorion 83
79 line editor 81 confirm linehorse ( include small note in blackbook)
82 Seattle force 79 confirm linehorse .

The field was poor against other years but Eyes wide shut ran only 4 points better last year when he won than Atyaab.

www.sportingpost.co.za/2019/02/cape-derby-mr-appeal/

Still overrated in my opinion...would love to see how they got to that figures first time and 2nd time

i agree - for me around 8 or 9 points too high still .....
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 2 months ago
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www.sportingpost.co.za/2019/04/derby-day...rseracing-authority/

And BANG !!!! Atyaab ran saturday to exactly the rating he ran to in the Cape Derby ....
Doesnt matter how you try to smooth it.... if a horse ran to a 98/99 rating then make him that rating , just because its a Gr 1 race , if the quality of field is poor then its poor and Cape derby field were very poor and even after the appeals the horses in the top 4 were given penalties the didnt deserved ... atyaab still overrated at 105 .
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 2 months ago - 6 years 2 months ago
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I am not a handicapping fundi and would love some of the guys like Frodo and PeterD to comment on the debate on Sporting Post around the changes to ratings on Derby day. From the looks of things it appears that the Jockey Club have cocked a few up, even adjusting ratings where their rules don't allow for it.
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Re: Sunmet day ratings achieved races 4 to 10 for discussion

6 years 2 months ago
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Think Frodo had a couple of goes at it on the Derby replay thread and another post

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