NHRA another failure by the guildline kings.

Over the Air wrote: I must say that if the NHRA have ensured the second career forms are correctly filled, then you can not blame them for what happens afterwards. My question is how do horses that are still registered as in training land up in bush racing? I think the answer is the NHRA are not doing what they should be.

It becomes very tiresome when people do not read the message, however jump onto portions that they feel need defending. Louis we obviously are at cross purposes here. My question, once again, is HOW did the NHRA become involved in this Bush racing confrontation seeing that your post says that they are NOT ALLOWED to get involved at all.

Think it's called selective participation , the old adage do as I say not as I do.

Louis let me start by saying I have the utmost respect for you and your ability as a trainer and have never ever said anything about you mistreating horses. So let's get that straight for starters. You and Craig set an example and also have the balls to come on here and post for which most of us are grateful. So I'm not sure why you feel the need to have a dig. I too have been involved in this industry on the side of the NHA or the then jockey club. I happen to think that it's you who misunderstand my very simple comments that this should be stopped and banned. If some officials or SPCA people are there then call the relevant authorities and have it stopped. Is it possible I dont know ,but the fact that the officials are there and are seeing cruelty says enough. I get that it's not always easy to look after a horse once its career is over but each person who takes that horse becomes responsible . Nobody says the first owner is responsible but maybe that's who should be responsible..I dont know or maybe having them put down is the way to go. I have no fight with you at all only the fact that this blatant abuse of the animals is happening. I hope that clears up your misunderstanding.

....the problem I see is that there is seems to be a lot of padding around the matter of why the NHRA are sometimes present at these bush meetings..... and all part and parcel of how some are still trying to glam up these events ......and then we are duped into believing what some posters have claimed here ....like they use the NHRA officials often present to identify with their chip readers the horses that are participating ..:blush: .. the event takes place next door to the SPCA so it must be kosher..:huh: ...also heard of a brothel next door to the police station and nothing was done about it either....:lol:... and then there are members under NHRA like a few licensed trainers and colour holders also being present at these meetings.. ..wonder if there will ever be a full investigation and subsequent actions to at least clarify the NHRA stance and remedy to prevent unsanctioned or illegal race meetings.....:huh:

Miss T, Muhti , I am just saying that it is wrong,imho, to blame or apportion blame to NHA. We all agree on the cruelty thing, so do NHA. But, what can they actually do ? Under which law of our Country are these meetings illegal ?
Also, unlike proper Racing, there is no programme printed or advertised. How do we all find out where these meetings are being held ? If anyone can, let's report here.

Whenever possible people like Craig and myself will then go there and check, take photos, report etc. (We would simply inform NHA, beforehand, as we are not participants)....

The problem appears to be that there is a huge difference between the annual Bray Derby and the Rural meetings. And then there are those rubbish people who race stolen horses down gravel roads on weekends....as shown on Carte Blanche. Not all are the same, in terms of potential cruelty.

Again, I have never attended, so go on hearsay, just as the rest of you.

.....so what was the point of the NHA going there checking and naming the horses and suspending them....dont think the horses were there totally un attended and had to be in the care of some "racing people"....they are after all still being trained/conditioned and fed.... then why have these people not been charged or even named....seems like a mere warning and a tap on the hand....or was it simply to be published in the NHRA supplements as a publicity stunt and left up to avid horse enthusiasts to get to hear or read that it is a fun pastime to have older horses still running for some else's entertainment...:huh:.....it no use trying to shame these people through indirect association by these actions.....they have been doing it for years and therefore they have no shame....

Muhti
We agree in principle. But let's wait for NHA to complete their investigations ...

when i posted this at no stage did i think that or read into that the article was refering to Bush racing.
The article even had a photo of one of the CAPE Track not a bush .
before i posted the article i check the 6 Stipes reports to see if any horses were put down in January 2019.
i see there is a link to a bush racing article on the website link i shared. i did not think the two issues were related.
it makes no sense to charge the NHRA if the race meeting was not held under their auspices.
guess we will wait for the case to come to court to get names and places.

There are far too many horses that are bred the wastage astounds me . Owners should be responsible for their horses after racing , many people that buy Race Horses do not have an inkling about the Horse and do not realise that horses can live to be over 20 yrs thats a lot of Responsibility . So in my opinion it's Breeders, Owners, Trainers and the NHA that should see that this kind of abuse is halted .