Syx Shooter and the trainers comment.

Clint Binda
No 3 Syx Shooter will need the run
3 Syx Shooter 20.00 25.00 22.00 25.00 30.00 36.00 40.00 36.00 25.00 30.00 33.00 20.00 16.00

All above board here?
Trainer obviously just got his horses fitness wrong and the 6 times the horse was backed was definitely not the connections money.It was just some arb punter off the street who really liked this horse today and thankfully didn't see the trainers comment.

Durbs.......... is the ABOVE betting pattern that u show - is this not the TOTE betting odds being displayed just BEFORE the race is run ?

That's Track and Ball fixed odds betting.
The horse opened at 20-1 and probably drifted to 40-1 after the trainers comment and then they piled in.

Durbs, over the years I have learnt the hard way to take "Trainer comments" with a pinch of salt.

I also own horses and the feedback I receive from my trainers vs what gets published to the public is quite often two totally different things.

Truth be told, I think Pre Race interviews are hogwash and 9/10 times trainers will provide "politically correct responses". Some owners are also totally against trainers giving public feedback on their horses. Its a much broader dynamic that just providing feedback on a horse - so much more is involved than what meets the eye.

Syx Shooter is owned by Hollywoodbets. This horse shows pace and then fades out in the latter stages. This was only its third run over 1000m. 40/1 was too big a price!


From their page,

11th November 2019
He makes his return after a 21 week absence from the course, this Thursday 14th November 2019 at the Vaal. The break however, has done him the world of good and he should come back a better horse. Back on the Highveld after a short stint in KZN, he is expected to need this outing quite badly, but it should bring him on nicely for a summer campaign. S’manga Khumalo takes the ride and we will be looking for a top half finish

This is not a good example of an attempted coup. R500 bet will see a 40/1 horse cut to 20/1 by our nervous bookies, so that’s hardly “ piling in”. In any event, it’s not hard to get a horse ready for a sprint after even a long break if it’s sound, so in sprints horses that “need the run” comments best ignored even if the true opinion of the trainer.

We all know horses make fools of us - but the betting moves as highlighted tell us that there has been some funny business around...... either the stable (and the owners) genuinely had no clue and it was not their money, which means the 'word' got spread by someone else - groom, work rider (did Bling ride him in work ?), or the stable (and / or the owners) deliberately misled the racing public ..... either way, this sort of thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

And the stable will probably come back and say that they can't win - when they do comment, they get lambasted, when they don't, they get branded as 'unwilling to share', however I think all the public wants, is that the playing field is leveled; I for one fully understand that a horse that seemingly is not quite ready, can surprise / upset, but then there should not the kind of betting support witnessed in this case ....

Its true that horses can make a fool of us all.
My understanding is that the very innovative way of thinking via the HW group is a possible explanation.

Horses bought by the group get allocated to departments/section of the group.
This obviously generates enthusiasm and probably also encourages people to go racing.

Lets use an example
Accounts dept and they all have a R100 each on the horse, no matter what the trainer says

Traders dept all have a R1000 on each.

Remember what i said re Noble D when it runs, if we pay in the region of 10 grand a month to keep it, yes we are going to punt, if its 33/1, yes R500 might see it 20/1.

Bottom line many factors can come into play.

Good Punting

Dave Scott wrote: Its true that horses can make a fool of us all.
My understanding is that the very innovative way of thinking via the HW group is a possible explanation.

Horses bought by the group get allocated to departments/section of the group.
This obviously generates enthusiasm and probably also encourages people to go racing.

Lets use an example
Accounts dept and they all have a R100 each on the horse, no matter what the trainer says

Traders dept all have a R1000 on each.

Remember what i said re Noble D when it runs, if we pay in the region of 10 grand a month to keep it, yes we are going to punt, if its 33/1, yes R500 might see it 20/1.

Bottom line many factors can come into play.

Good Punting

Not impossible

The last 6 times this horse ran it always drifted from it's opening price so I'm not too sure the connections always back it when it runs.The manner in which it won,over 2 lengths,and the money for it,suggest this horse was fit enough to win yesterday.
There could be a legitimate reason why the horse won with money down so why don't the stipes question the trainer and let the public know his response so we don't have to guess what went on.
We don't want to think this game is rigged or crooked so things like this should be looked into just for the sake of transparency to all.

This horse was not well backed & no coup was landed.
Probably a few members of the syndicate & a few Hollywood staff members bet a small amount on this horse, why not, they have a connection to it.
As stated previously, R1000 on a Long Shot will shorten a horse especially on the tote.
We all know that except Durbs.
I will bet on all of Alec Laird horses, most of C Murrays horses & sometimes if I like the name of the horse, regardless of the price & sometimes they do shorten a couple of points in the betting.
The point is that many punters bet on their fancies or lucky numbers etc. No conspiracies, just betting for fun.
A week ago, I backed an Alec Laird trained horse at 40/1. It won easily.
Alec lamented in the interview that they never took advantage of the price.
The result took them by surprise. Does this make him a bad trainer, underhanded & non transparent. ??
Cant blame the trainers for not giving comments or giving non committal opinions when you read this thread.

As I stated above,this horse has not been backed in it's last 6 runs so your thinking that the syndicate or Hollywood staff always back it doesn't stand up Tony.
After the will need the run comment from the trainer why back it today if the trainer doesn't think it's fit enough?
And if they where going to back it why not take the 20-1 in the morning?
They knew the horse was going to drift after the trainer publicly stated it needed the run.
Did you actually see how easy the horse won?