Bad Bookies 👎

Muhtiman wrote: ....the long and short of it is that the bookies are trying to defend themselves from tote pool manipulation and the okes that try and strike at them with the manipulated pool open bet.....bookies cant have it all .....they should rather give up the open bet .....rather than limit their clientele and get a bad rap for doing so......:whistle:

I agree. If you cant handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. Why offer these bet types only when its convienient for you?

In the years gone by,probably before online betting,bookies would take any bet and if they where scared they would just go and lay some of the bet with the other bookies.
There is no ways bookies lose overall,especially on South African racing.
With the poor quality of horses we have the punters are the ones taking a knock,the bookies are laughing all the way to their closest Mercedes dealership.

That's why my bookie is a bucket shop. Go figure

As an ex-bookie, I couldn't agree with you more. In the old days, especially on the rececourse or Tattersalls there was massive competition amongst the bookmakers. Michael Costa or Michael Hayman etc (in Cape Town) would lay you 50k of a horse without blinking. You would ALWAYS get a stretch, and the banter amongst ourselves added to the atmosphere and fun. Now the course is hollow and empty. The problem with these online sites is they have your wallet 'captured' and can do what they want. They run algorithms to sniff out winners and limit or close your account. As I said in an earlier post, if you haven't been limited then you really shouldn't be punting in the first place cos you're an overall loser ! I think it's disgraceful. Smaller bookmakers have been forced off the course to make way for these faceless money-making machines and should be reported to the Competitions Board. Perhaps we could institute an action like that via this website....

I tried the competitions board, must have been 4 years ago. (case number: 2016APR0144)
Against all of them – lm, wsb, holly, betx etc etc –name it, they were all there.
Everything went swimmingly, and I thought I was going to be successful.
Then the reply “The Commission found that the conduct complained of does not contravene the Competition Act” ”
Could never find out exactly why.
I hear from 2 blokes that the unmentionables limited them the day after they deposited for a bonus, and had committed to a rollover of their deposit and bonus – now they must turnover these amounts at a limit of R300 – they might as well give up

Also an issue super close to my heart. I would consider myself a very big player having won huge amounts from certain bookies and losing even bigger amounts to others.

Here is my experience

Supa-bets limited me in less than 2 weeks . The most crooked organisation in the word. What i saw was scary and for me the owners should be in Jail. So you take an in play bet, it gets accepted by the system, it then goes to a trader for approval. Some of my bets were declined 11 minutes later if the score was in my favor, but if it was against you they happily accepted it. End of the day was super happy they limited me to 0 cause would never want to do business with them . A site for complete mugs

Sportingbet let me go on for a couple months and i made some good money but eventually limited me to 0. Overall its my best site but if you win, you will be limited.

GG gaming will generally always lay you a bet, the guys are honest and decent. I did have to have a few phone conversations with them , but we came to a gentlemen s agreement and they did lay me decent size bets; so if they do limit you; maybe give them a call and they will probably open you up some terms. Definitely one of the best

Hollywood let me run for long, for me by far the best bookie and I was way up. Eventually they banned me from betting on what I was good at and let me bet at what I was bad at; which sucks. Worked for them as Im sure i gave it all back plus more, but they did let me have some fun for a while and they look after you well.

World sports betting have balls of tiny ant.They limit you the moment you win, absolute waste of time.

Sunbet i must admit took me on, and layed monster size bets. I was way up for quite a while and they still never limited me, which is amazing; and ended up working out so well for them cause in the end I did my nuts. They do lay the worst prices and hence why they ended up beating me. Price in the end of the day is everything for a big player , cause its small margins thats make a difference between a good punter and a bad punter.

G bets are a very amateur bookmaker, they left bet tech which was the worst decision they ever made. Traders are clueless and I did win alot before I was limited. I did have issues being paid out by them and dont find them trustworthy at all. One payout took close on a month, they had to try find the money it seems.

Anyway thats my experience, end of the day you win with most bookies you will be limited. Its a stupid game trying to take these guys on, if you a real punter, betfair is your only option. You can bet with old school bookmakers like sedley bar who will lay you big bets , but then you have to phone in which i hate. The funny part of this story is the only bookmaker who had the balls to take me on eventually got paid properly, the rest of the scared buggers I all won plenty.

How is it even possible to get an account limited these days when we are blessed with multiple online options ?

I would presume to qualify as a ' big ' client, you would probably have to wager to win 20 k consistently or thereabouts, so the only scenario that forces you to be on the radar and then limited is because you only look for the standout price available at that moment, wager the full amount on that price and not spread the stake between several bookmakers with slight varying prices.

BW has 2/1
HW 19/10
WSB 19/10
BetX 2/1

But instead of splitting the 10k stake between all 4 and ending up with a 2% difference, which is likely to keep you under the radar, you head straight for the best price, have a couple of 20k wins on the trot and suddenly you are limited. The margin argument is irrelevant - because what's the point of protecting margins when you are closing your own outlets. Eventually you're left having to stake 100% of your wagers with operators that you never wanted to support because their prices are so pathetic.

And if you're a big Rugby client, you're swinging between 17/20, 9/10 and even 19/20 so you're pretty much averaging out anyway by spreading your bets.

It's the same with Open Bet punters - why take a 5k P6 and JP with 1 BM when you can take 5 x 1k bets with different BMs. Besides that - what are the chances of you exceeding the pool and being subject to those sanctions if you have taken a 20% fractional bet across 5 operators ??

Although technically not a bookmaker but why not Interbet?


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