Re:How professional are jockeys

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How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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In recent times I have carefully looked into the loading of horses and the start in particular concentrating my focus on the jockeys.One can clearly see that many of them are not really concentrating and ensuring that their mounts get the best possible start.Instead they looking around at other stalls and seem like they disinterested in the job at hand.

Suffice to say that Anton can bring the widest drawn mount onto the rails and gain pole position within the first 200m......

I believe that the stripes must look into the starts more closely and those jockeys just going through the motions must be brought to book. These jockeys are paid to ride horses and it's their full time occupation and they must give their utmost attention to the job at hand..... imvho....

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Re: How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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This is a bit silly really.

Probably the most dangerous part of the race. Potential for a lot to go wrong in the pens if one starts misbehaving. Jocks looking around are probably only doing so to get themselves ready for the jump.

That Anton gets the jump on some of his colleagues is probably down to the fact that he's on a different level to some of them? More experience? Better horses? Better schooled horses? Lots to factor in.

That they're hesitant to go is probably explained by riding instructions? You wouldn't jump and go if told to hold one up for a late run or to get cover? Look how many times Anton, especially in Durban, is able to win off the front end as he jumps and dictates the race on his terms. That's experience and I can't imagine he gets given too many riding instructions.

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Re: How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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the duke wrote: In recent times I have carefully looked into the loading of horses and the start in particular concentrating my focus on the jockeys.One can clearly see that many of them are not really concentrating and ensuring that their mounts get the best possible start.Instead they looking around at other stalls and seem like they disinterested in the job at hand.

Suffice to say that Anton can bring the widest drawn mount onto the rails and gain pole position within the first 200m......

I believe that the stripes must look into the starts more closely and those jockeys just going through the motions must be brought to book. These jockeys are paid to ride horses and it's their full time occupation and they must give their utmost attention to the job at hand..... imvho....

I have also noticed that in recent times the 200 metre rule is not adhered to.
I am not sure if the rules have changed but previously jockeys had to keep their lane for the 1st 200 metres and thereafter allowed to move across to the fence without impeding other horses.
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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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The UK jockeys are even worse. Do they even have stipes there?


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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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Too many repeat performing stables that do not school horses properly make Jocks look bad.

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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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It’s a dangerous sport


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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

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mr hawaii wrote: Too many repeat performing stables that do not school horses properly make Jocks look bad.

Exactly.
Look at a race yesterday where a horse got injured in the stalls just because it was in there for so long as other horses where very reluctant to load.
The stipes have got to fine the offenders as it's very unfair on the ones that get taught properly how to load in the gates.
And give the horses no more then 30 seconds to load or scratch them.
Put this into place and watch how many horses will come to the course as quite as lambs.
No delays and no potential of horses getting injured in the stalls.
Surely getting a horse to load and jump on terms must be the trainers priority.
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Re: How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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the duke wrote: In recent times I have carefully looked into the loading of horses and the start in particular concentrating my focus on the jockeys.One can clearly see that many of them are not really concentrating and ensuring that their mounts get the best possible start.Instead they looking around at other stalls and seem like they disinterested in the job at hand.

Suffice to say that Anton can bring the widest drawn mount onto the rails and gain pole position within the first 200m......

I believe that the stripes must look into the starts more closely and those jockeys just going through the motions must be brought to book. These jockeys are paid to ride horses and it's their full time occupation and they must give their utmost attention to the job at hand..... imvho....

Read the article in Sporting post titled 'Silly Sunday for KZN jocks' with a picture of dodge em cars.

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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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durbs wrote:
mr hawaii wrote: Too many repeat performing stables that do not school horses properly make Jocks look bad.

Exactly.
Look at a race yesterday where a horse got injured in the stalls just because it was in there for so long as other horses where very reluctant to load.
The stipes have got to fine the offenders as it's very unfair on the ones that get taught properly how to load in the gates.
And give the horses no more then 30 seconds to load or scratch them.
Put this into place and watch how many horses will come to the course as quite as lambs.
No delays and no potential of horses getting injured in the stalls.
Surely getting a horse to load and jump on terms must be the trainers priority.

A stopwatch overlay on Teletrack should start as the starter gives a horse 30-45 secs to load - So many well-behaved horses have lost races at the start because of badly schooled animals.
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Re: Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago - 4 years 5 months ago
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mr hawaii wrote:
durbs wrote:
mr hawaii wrote: Too many repeat performing stables that do not school horses properly make Jocks look bad.

Exactly.
Look at a race yesterday where a horse got injured in the stalls just because it was in there for so long as other horses where very reluctant to load.
The stipes have got to fine the offenders as it's very unfair on the ones that get taught properly how to load in the gates.
And give the horses no more then 30 seconds to load or scratch them.
Put this into place and watch how many horses will come to the course as quite as lambs.
No delays and no potential of horses getting injured in the stalls.
Surely getting a horse to load and jump on terms must be the trainers priority.

......saw this incident and could not believe that the handlers were clueless on how to proceed....the horse had got its entire rear over the top of the back of the gates and was left hanging with back legs off the ground.....the 1st priority should have been to remove all the horses from the gates before trying to open and extract the horse.... instead they stood around for several minutes pondering on what to do....not only are the schooling of horses to blame but handlers and starter need to be reschooled too....:whistle:

....also remember that a several yards outsource schooling and pre-schooling....before horses are brought into their yards.....:unsure:

A stopwatch overlay on Teletrack should start as the starter gives a horse 30-45 secs to load - So many well-behaved horses have lost races at the start because of badly schooled animals.
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Re: Re:Re:How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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I say the horses should be loaded in reverse order of their ability like MR’s, or even forbid, the bookies’ prices.
As they do in the Grands Prix, they qualify for grid positions.


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Re: How professional are jockeys

4 years 5 months ago
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Flat races should all have flag starts as it takes away from the draw biase and no horses will be injured, as many do in the starting stalls. Some have even lost their lives

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