SA Horseracing - Daily Bomb Results

Frodo wrote: I think Nico on Clocking the Gallop fancied League of her Own two runs or so ago - because of the rating drop; I looked at it again yesterday, but hell the form was bad - maybe the last run she improved after being drawn 15 from 15 and with that KZN apprentice who imo is not going to cut it; so yesterday it was drawn wide again and did not receive another MR drop from her last run - so I did not give her any chance - as Naresh says, how long do you follow a horse

On the topic of following horses, I have been following Piccadilly Square a while (and included that again in a trifecta yesterday) - the day I ignore it, will probably the day it decides to run :dry:

I was at my wits end with League Of Her Own but due to the price, I had a few rand. In fact my bet that I wagered most on was Piccadilly Square, although under sufferance. Backed it to win, and run second, third and fourth. About, R300 in total.

Trying to justify some of these results are completely ludicrous... like trying to justify Donald Trump becoming president...

I cannot for the life of me understand how you can bring the trust back to racing if you have these results so regularly,
I cannot for the life of me understand how a trainer trains a horse so that he loses form (which he does not , he just hides it) and his handicap can drop (hidden for the public so he can strike again) and then claim to get trust back from the public. A trainer cannot be rewarded for making a horse inferior period... no trainer gets paid for making an athlete worse.
I cannot understand why the public cannot see that 1 entity controlling everything is BAD for racing... (1) sponsoring all the horses (2) sponsoring jockeys, (3) buying all the horses must surely question results where the same owner has control over performance of many of them (4) giving all you as punters info away in a "challenge competition" surely allows you to manipulate the market for the odds available ...

I would rather move to sport until the blatant issues are rectified and we can trust all horses running for STAKES rather than a trainer running to get better odds for survival

A tipping subscription app raging over bookmakers involvement in racing while giving a 90% winning chance of greenie tips in the world of sports, 90% of clubs are sponsored by bookies, with regards to horses rating drops to make money off punts, I don't see coups landing, have you got any references of these?

Loopy Logic wrote: Trying to justify some of these results are completely ludicrous... like trying to justify Donald Trump becoming president...

I cannot for the life of me understand how you can bring the trust back to racing if you have these results so regularly,
I cannot for the life of me understand how a trainer trains a horse so that he loses form (which he does not , he just hides it) and his handicap can drop (hidden for the public so he can strike again) and then claim to get trust back from the public. A trainer cannot be rewarded for making a horse inferior period... no trainer gets paid for making an athlete worse.
I cannot understand why the public cannot see that 1 entity controlling everything is BAD for racing... (1) sponsoring all the horses (2) sponsoring jockeys, (3) buying all the horses must surely question results where the same owner has control over performance of many of them (4) giving all you as punters info away in a "challenge competition" surely allows you to manipulate the market for the odds available ...

I would rather move to sport until the blatant issues are rectified and we can trust all horses running for STAKES rather than a trainer running to get better odds for survival

Sorry I do not follow what you are talking about?? Could you elaborate please?

if you are referring to IPuntSmart (we do not have an app and we are a totally FREE 4 ALL service and have been for over 2 years now, we do not even ask for credit cards me personally funding the bill for development, improvements, etc) then clearly you are way off ....

Familiarizing yourself with what we offer would be a better place to start rather than an attack on trying to help the public. Trying to compare a bookie sponsoring a football club vs a bookie sponsoring a Horse Race I think you could quite easy figure out yourself that the chance of altering a result in a football match with billions of turnover vs a Horse Race in RSA does not have much in similarities... trying to justify horse ratings drops with your example... mmm ...coups lands all the time... I do not see any other sport where a trainer trains and the athlete get's worse.. if you don't see the Sport of Horse racing popularity and volumes deteriorating ... then where have you been hiding.. I am happy to talk, but let's talk sense


quote="onyerway" post=817012]A tipping subscription app raging over bookmakers involvement in racing while giving a 90% winning chance of greenie tips in the world of sports, 90% of clubs are sponsored by bookies, with regards to horses rating drops to make money off punts, I don't see coups landing, have you got any references of these?

Loopy Logic wrote: Trying to justify some of these results are completely ludicrous... like trying to justify Donald Trump becoming president...

I cannot for the life of me understand how you can bring the trust back to racing if you have these results so regularly,
I cannot for the life of me understand how a trainer trains a horse so that he loses form (which he does not , he just hides it) and his handicap can drop (hidden for the public so he can strike again) and then claim to get trust back from the public. A trainer cannot be rewarded for making a horse inferior period... no trainer gets paid for making an athlete worse.
I cannot understand why the public cannot see that 1 entity controlling everything is BAD for racing... (1) sponsoring all the horses (2) sponsoring jockeys, (3) buying all the horses must surely question results where the same owner has control over performance of many of them (4) giving all you as punters info away in a "challenge competition" surely allows you to manipulate the market for the odds available ...

I would rather move to sport until the blatant issues are rectified and we can trust all horses running for STAKES rather than a trainer running to get better odds for survival

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It wasn't an attack and apologise for misunderstanding your site, I think you are way off thinking it's not happening in the world of sports, with regards to your training horses to get worse to make money off punts, where are these ?

onyerway wrote: It wasn't an attack and apologise for misunderstanding your site, I think you are way off thinking it's not happening in the world of sports, with regards to your training horses to get worse to make money off punts, where are these ?

I never stated it is not happening in sport ... I am fully aware of corruption being everywhere

Sport = 2/3 outcomes
Horse racing = MANY outcomes

Now if you add corruption to sport (which is actually way less than in Horse racing due to the rewards for winning and an athlete getting worse will not help a result) you can still have a pretty decent chance as a punter... now add corruption (which is WAY MORE in Horse Racing) and it leaves the punter with pretty much zero probability to make a profit in the long run ... the result is punters are leaving the sport of Horse Racing ... FACT... no denying it

Well since many Merit Ratings goes down and since your Merit rating goes up when you win , one can only derive from that that Trainers trains horses that gets "worse" ... on purpose .. .that is quite a simple logical understanding and then suddenly it improves again to win a race... simple logic.... and open's the door for corruption.

So many people are so interested in "insider info" and if you part of the problem of insider info then you are not part of the solution to see fair racing ... another simple derivation from logic.. if you don't see fair racing you don't see the sport grow, as simple as that .. I don't know which part of logic the public miss but continue on this path and the sport we all so dearly love will fade into the night till eventually trainers will not be seeing this industry as a viable solution to make an income of ... this normally happens just after trainers has to "steal better odds results" from each other since there is no public to support the money train anymore...

No one asking why a MR goes down? Or at the very worst why a MR goes down by more than max 3 kilos ( 6 MR points) clearly no trainer is worth being called a trainer if the performance of his horse keeps deteriorating?? Now you end up with huge MR drops just for a trainer to be rewarded for being useless... that surely opens the door for corrupt results and corrupt showings in a race just to manipulate these MR's to a state where a horse can easily win once his true ability MR has been hidden sufficiently to 1 person deciding what his MR should be.( the handicapper )..

Stamp out these corrupt showings by not allowing a MR to drop by more than 3 kilos and let trainers be judged on their ability to train, not their ability to hide form. We use 2 indicators worth gold to any handicapper BAMRAL = Best average MR adjusted lengths behind and BAT = BAMRAL combined with AT Adjusted time. This shows in perfect detail by lengths how bad some of these results are and why the public is moving to fairer grounds when wanting to take a bet... let's save the sport we love before we are back to 100 years ago where only trainers/owners raced one another without any public interest..

Anyone take a stab at ICED TEA win based on exposed form.

race had a strong favourite and two other strong contenders.

ICED TEA has never got closer than 5 lengths to a winner and that in a weak maiden.

Then today at 100/1 it wins and trhows the form book out the window.

if the excuse is that it is an anomaly of work rider races. that not a great advert for the Work rider iniative

Sylvester wrote: Anyone take a stab at ICED TEA win based on exposed form.

race had a strong favourite and two other strong contenders.

ICED TEA has never got closer than 5 lengths to a winner and that in a weak maiden.

Then today at 100/1 it wins and trhows the form book out the window.

if the excuse is that it is an anomaly of work rider races. that not a great advert for the Work rider iniative

Weak field and the Workrider has run 2nd on this horse before.

Easy afterwards - imo - yes the rider does for some reason get on with the horse - maybe he rides it in work every day; in the race it finished second, it did finish 2.5 lengths in front of Wondrous, who then subsequently finished in front of Masaaken, (and in front of Perfect Passion - who beat Rizzoli last time out) - so on that one run alone one had to have given it some sort of chance - but the form was so dismal since that 2nd, that no one could really took that run into consideration - so maybe something to bear in mind the next time this rider gets the ride in a lowly MR rated handicap for workriders

I no longer bet...but I cannot understand a professional punt on a rider that may not get a horse to run in a straight line...at 3/1
of course Iced Tea was my next selection after a Mint Julep...