This new draw sytem on the Highveld

I`m sure the trainers and Owners are going to LOVE IT!


NOT!!!


Sure it only starts this week (not the dates on the notice) as i`m seeing loads of duplicate horses at decs

Trial for draws after Declarations will be implemented from Entries of 1 December 2020 to Declarations closing 31 January2021.

In all Races on the Highveld–all barrier draws will be conducted after Declarations and not at Entry stage.

No draw provisos will be allowed.

Draws for all runners, including reserve runners will be done after Declarations close.

All declarations will close at 10am, thereafter eliminations will be done, and provisional fields disseminated.

Only in races around the turn, Trainers will be given 60 MINUTES from the time provisional fields are disseminated to withdraw their runners in the following instances:

1. drawn from 10 to 12 in a maximum field of 12

2.drawn from 12 to 14 in a maximum field of 14

3.drawn from 14 to 16 in a maximum field of 16

4.drawn from 16 to 18 in a maximum field of 18

5.drawn from 18 to 20 in a maximum field of 20

Should there be reserve runners in any of the cases above where Trainers withdraw their runners,these reserve runners will retain their draws and come into the race before final fields are decided and disseminated. Thereafter, only reserve runners drawn in the outside three positions will be permitted to withdraw.

Should reserve runners opt to withdraw, eliminated horses will not be allowed to replace the reserve runners withdrawn

It may have taken place but were trainers, owners, RA consulted re:this change or was it just implemented by NHRA?

Looks like the dates are wrong on sahorse, might now come into force until next month?

Hearing even the trainers didn't expect draws to be done today

This approach has had very limited success in CT and now being imposed on Highveld. It is bad news for owners.
Fields are small because;
1. The programming is poorly done
2. Concentration of horses in big yards, while the number of horses in smaller yards has declined.
3. We no longer have the horse population to race every day of the week nationally

We do need bigger fields to ensure viability. Some suggestions:
1. Improve the programming
2. For handicap races around the turn, give weight incentives to wider draws- eg. 1 kg draws 7-10; 2 kg draws 10+
3. Stakes incentives for bigger fields- eg pay a stake for all horses in the front half of the field- eg first 8 horses in a 16 horse field. (This should be in addition to the normal stakes and will pay for itself in bigger fields)

Weight allowances for kak draws. Interesting.


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It often amazes me how accepting owners are of rule changes that often act against their best interests. Let's start at the beginning. These changes have nothing to do with the Jockey Club. These are operators conditions and as such, have been changed by Phumelela. Where 4 Racing/MoD fit into this only they know as they have been silent on issues and it is anyone's guess what their influence has been in these changes. I stand to be corrected but think that at this moment in time the individual in charge of changes is this Evans BRP fella who is being guided by another fella who is not even resident on this continent. You can't make this shit up.

PeterD suggests a few changes that I do not support. The term "luck of the draw" has reference. How could we scientifically ( ie. with proof ) allocate a reduction in weight based on where a horse is drawn? PeterD references draws in races around the turn when in reality there is a significant draw bias in races down the straights at the majority of our tracks as well. To further complicate things, some draw bias change as the season progresses - here I think of the Vaal tracks in particular. The statement is made "improve the programme". How and for whom would be my retort. Improving the programme for one yard full of stayers would be a detriment to a yard full of sprinters. Do we stop catering for races where there has traditionally been poor support? The further you go from 8 furlongs in general the less support you receive. What can be done for the stayers? There is no money to raise stakes raced for. Implementing payouts for horses finishing outside of the top 5 has been tried and to be fair has proven to be unsuccessful.

I have two suggestions that may result in improved field sizes viz. pay an appearance fee for every horse that runs in a race. This happens in other racing jurisdictions. The second suggestion is abolish nomination fees totally over the winter season and only charge acceptance fees - refunds to eliminated horses.

I did ask Vee and he suggested I take up with Racing Operators, I think that is still Patrick or Jay ?

Let's see if an announcement is coming?

Dave Scott wrote: I did ask Vee and he suggested I take up with Racing Operators, I think that is still Patrick or Jay ?

Let's see if an announcement is coming?

So this means this idiotic rule was thought up by the Operators ?

I see that 'they' suggest that the introduction of this non-sensical plan follows the 'successful' introduction of the same plan in the Cape - really :ohmy:

So does this then mean when my runner draws 11 out of 14 on the Turf Inside (or Vaal Classic) around the turn, I would be 'forced' to run - I assume there will be some sort of suspension for scratching without a 'valid' reason - and how would they check how 'valid; the reason is.

I'm all for efforts to try and increase field sizes - but my prediction is (like in the Cape) this stupidity will not have the desired effect.

And where are the guys that are supposed to 'look after the owners' - or have the RA been disbanded ?

Bob Brogan wrote: Looks like the dates are wrong on sahorse, might now come into force until next month?

As per the SP it will be for a trial period of 3 months commencing 4 May thru 31 July

Frodo wrote:

Dave Scott wrote: I did ask Vee and he suggested I take up with Racing Operators, I think that is still Patrick or Jay ?

Let's see if an announcement is coming?

So this means this idiotic rule was thought up by the Operators ? Who knows as referenced in my post no-one seems to know who is in charge these days

I see that 'they' suggest that the introduction of this non-sensical plan follows the 'successful' introduction of the same plan in the Cape - really :ohmy: Typical Phumelela propoganda

So does this then mean when my runner draws 11 out of 14 on the Turf Inside (or Vaal Classic) around the turn, I would be 'forced' to run - I assume there will be some sort of suspension for scratching without a 'valid' reason - and how would they check how 'valid; the reason is. Yes you would incur a 12/14 ( either or not sure which ) penalty for scratching without a valid reason. This is the entire reason for implementing this change - force trainers to accept "in the dark "

I'm all for efforts to try and increase field sizes - but my prediction is (like in the Cape) this stupidity will not have the desired effect. Agree

And where are the guys that are supposed to 'look after the owners' - or have the RA been disbanded ?

The RA no longer has any power and has no say in the running of racing as it did previously. There is absolutely no reason why it exists nor should it receive anything from owners in respect to noms and acceptance fees

Sounds like absolute rubbish to me. Isn't training and owning difficult enough?

Should rather just pick numbers from a hat at the gate