A concerning trend these days

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A concerning trend these days

3 years 7 months ago
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It is becoming more and more common that horses are being pulled out the race by jocks that " feel something amiss" and post race inspections by the vet reveal no obvious problem. Two examples on Saturday were PAMUSHANA'S PRIDE and CELESTIAL LOVE. There are many other examples and a perusal of most stipes reports will result in many examples of what I highlight. In the overwhelming majority of cases, no reason for the something amiss is found.

Now I realise that the welfare of the horse is paramount and jocks have every right to do what they believe is best in the circumstances, however this appears to be a foolproof excuse to pull a horse out the race without consequence. I wonder how dilligent our stipes are in identifying whether there are repeat offenders in both the training and jock ranks? What follow ups are done after the race to see if there was a valid excuse? I reckon this is the easiest way to stop a horse without raising suspicion.
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Re: A concerning trend these days

3 years 7 months ago
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Fair comment
I watched the well fancied Celestial Love race and feared the horse had broken down 🤔

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Re: A concerning trend these days

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I completed a perusal of Octobers stipes reports and the following horses were reported by jockeys with something amiss, were inspected by the course vet and found to have nothing obvious wrong.

A total of 84 horses around the country. Of the 84 only 3 trainers reported back with something that showed itself after the race. There are many repeat offenders. I wonder whether our stipes have ever had a good look at this?
We either have nervous/dodge jocks or blind vets, these numbers are excessive and as I said in my opening post open to abuse.

Horses named for the single month of October:

WILD EARTH
NEXUS
SPEED MACHINE
TWICE A MIRACLE
BACK TO FORMENTERA
PAMUSHANAS PRIDE
MADABOUT FASHION
MARIPOSA
SILENT TRIGGER
MASTER REDOUBTE
LULU'S BOY
CHLORIS
JUST KIDDING
CRYSTAL SKY
OVERJOYED
HUKUM
SPUTNIK ONE
CHAUMASO
SUITED CONNECTOR
LOVE IS BLIND
MBANGJWA MAGIC
SENOR GARCIA
IMPERIAL BALLET
VIVID JET
ICE IMPERIAL
COVERT OPERATOR
KOMPROMAT
ALIBI GUY
BIT OF FUN
RAINBOW SPIRIT
COUP DE TETE
MASTER OF THE NORTH
ORGETORIX
VERINOVA
DEEP DIVE
WINTER VACATION
POT SOX
MEGXIT
CAPE TO RIO
ELUSIVE CURRENT
LOVE ON TIME
EMBARRAS DE RICHES
STARRYWINTERNIGHT
HEY GORGEOUS
TWELVE OAKS
TAMIL TIGER
CONSTABLE
MYSTERY TRIP
SAVANNAH BOY
ALASKAN FATE
HONEY PIE
FROSTED ICE
IN CAHOOTS
SINGFOSUSIE
RAISETHEREDLANTERN
SHOW THE FLAG
HERECOMESTHERAIN
FAUSTINO
QAARAAT
COMEDY OF MANNERS
FORCE OF ARMS
BOISTEROUS BUDDY
MAID IN FRANCE
MASHIRI
WAYWOOD
SKYE VIEW
I AM ROYAL
MERCER GIRL
GOLDEN SPOON
MODAKHUR
SULLENBERGER
CHRISTOPHER ROBIN
MASTER SUPREME
SKY GOD
EVERGLADES
CAPTAIN DIZZY
PURE STATE
ANTIGONUS
TEMPTING FATE
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Re: A concerning trend these days

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You will have trainers sisters and brothers phoning and crying down the line

Have the NHRA gone limp dicked all of a sudden?
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Re: A concerning trend these days

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OTA

You have obviously spent some time on this post and many horses listed above.

Is it various trainers, jocks, owners or are you highlight a trend, for the NHRA to consider keeping an eye 👁 🤔
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Re: A concerning trend these days

3 years 7 months ago
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NHRA are aware and will also send a reply.

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Re: A concerning trend these days

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You have obviously spent some time on this post and many horses listed above.

Is it various trainers, jocks, owners or are you highlight a trend, for the NHRA to consider keeping an eye 👁 🤔

Dave being retired does come with some perks and time is something that I have on my hands. This exercise using the official stipes reports took me roughly an hour. I have picked up that there are some trends taken but acknowledge that I am working on a single month of data. I will in the next few days go through the last two years and I am sure that something more concrete will emerge.

I am not saying that there is anything sinister at this stage although I have some suspicions if the truth be told. What I am saying is that the numbers are completely ridiculous - 84 horses were not ridden to win and of those the vast majority had nothing wrong with them according to the official stipes report.

The NHA are aware you say? Bless them, we are clearly in safe hands when we "invest".
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Re: A concerning trend these days

3 years 6 months ago
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to get a clearer picture the sp should be looked at and also the interval until the next start with sp, that will show any skullduggery

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Re: A concerning trend these days

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Dear Dave,
 
As you are aware, Vee has asked me to respond to the thread on ABC regarding horses that are pulled out of race or reported as “something amiss” by Riders only for there to be no findings by the Veterinary Surgeons.
 
I have spoken to our Chief Veterinary Surgeon about the concern and from a purely veterinary perspective, he has reassured me that the pillars of Equine Health, Biosecurity, Integrity and Rider Safety are adequately and currently addressed because of the overall high standards of horseracing in the Country.
 
Having stated that though, we can always improve and the purchase of equipment like endoscopies and lameness locators is something on the radar of the Veterinary Department.
In addition to this, we have recently started the practice of trotting horses pre-race to reduce the number of horses that are lame, being saddled to participate in races. This would naturally have a bearing on the number of horses being eased out of races due to lameness or other soundness issues.
 
In an ideal world, a Veterinary certificate would be required on every occasion after a horse is eased out of a race and there is no supporting report from the veterinary surgeon on duty. The Veterinary Department has taken a view that they would prefer to monitor each horse’s profile and to suspend horses where there are trends of the animal being eased out of races or showing patterns of lameness. Specimen collection is also important, including from horses eased out of races.
 
The Stipendiary Stewards are acutely aware if patterns form regarding a particular rider/s easing horses down in races due to reasons not supported by an incident or veterinary reports.
We need to be mindful however, that the Rider is the person on the horses back and it would not be appropriate to remove this professional discretion when they feel something amiss, even if it is an opinion that is not backed up by the Veterinary Surgeon. In cases such as this it is important that there is an in depth analysis of why a horse was eased out to protect the animal, the rider and of course the integrity of the race.
 
I include the relevant Rules pertaining to the reporting of circumstances below:
 
REPORTING OF CIRCUMSTANCES
70.      REPORTING OF CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES
70.1       The OWNER or TRAINER or PERSON in charge of a HORSE or the RIDER shall report to the relevant licensed veterinary surgeon and to the SB, or failing it to the RMR,  as soon as practicable before or immediately after a RACE:-
70.1.1        anything which may affect the running of their HORSE in that RACE;
70.1.2        anything which might have affected the running of their HORSE in that RACE, in which event the TRAINER shall, where appropriate, detain the HORSE in the unsaddling area until the veterinary surgeon has examined it.  In the event of a RIDER reporting that his saddle has slipped, he shall immediately show this to a LICENCED OFFICIAL upon dismount from his horse.
                   [Amended 15.11.2017]
70.1.3        anything which might have any bearing on the past or the future running of the HORSE.
70.2       In the event of a report being made in terms of RULE 70.1.1 or RULE 70.1.3, the HORSE concerned shall be kept available for examination at its stables or in the security area of a RACE COURSE.
 
A Rider may also report that he felt something amiss with a horse because it has not performed to expectations. We all know that horses are not machines, but equine athletes which could have an off day, such is sport. More detail in the Stipes report is most important and is something that the Stipendiary Stewards have been directed to attend to.
 
Attached, please find an example of a post- race follow up from the Western Cape Stipendiary Board.
 
We will continue to carefully monitor the situation as this has a very direct bearing on the integrity of races, safety of riders and the welfare of horses.
 
Kind regards,

 Arnold Hyde

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Re: A concerning trend these days

3 years 6 months ago - 3 years 6 months ago
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So what exactly are the NHRA saying? From the looks of things it took a week to respond and say nothing. This doesn't surprise me. I will say one thing - it is clear that certain jockeys have either lost their nerve or are extremely sympathetic to horses to the obvious detriment of punters who dont get a fair run for their money. You have got to love Hydes last paragraph I wonder if this was a revelation? You're welcome.

I will finish my analysis when the desire takes me and show some obvious trends those at the NHRA are.incapable of or unable to identify.
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Re: A concerning trend these days

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Having stated that though, we can always improve and the purchase of equipment like endoscopies and lameness locators is something on the radar of the Veterinary Department.

maybe that should be an absolute priority?

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Having stated that though, we can always improve and the purchase of equipment like endoscopies and lameness locators is something on the radar of the Veterinary Department.

maybe that should be an absolute priority?

Agree 100% along with a compulsory polygraph for jocks that pull horses out of races and nothing is found wrong after. Sound draconian? I bought a new car recently and had the tracking device fitted. The technician who did the work told me that a condition of employment was that he had to do a quarterly polygraph where questions were asked about any interaction with crime syndicates and/or hijackers. Why shouldnt the NHA do the same for racing? I reckon we would decimate the Jockey ranks on those questions.

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