HOLLYWOODBETS KENILWORTH SATURDAY 24 JUNE 2023

Frodo wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

Veldskoen...

Sure hope you are right

Gazza wrote:

Frodo wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

Veldskoen...

Sure hope you are right

Hi guys, only heard now that r10 was reduced to 1000m - surely bets get refunded for change in distance???

Any comments on this.....

Frodo wrote:

Gazza wrote:

Frodo wrote:

Pirhobeta wrote:

Veldskoen...

Sure hope you are right

Hi guys, only heard now that r10 was reduced to 1000m - surely bets get refunded for change in distance???

Any comments on this.....

Have to agree - change in distance means cancelation of all bets

Frodo wrote:

bayern - this has nothing to do with whether the trainer runs the horse - this is about the PUNTER; by default all bets are null and void if the meeting / race is changed from Turf to Poly, or changed from one track to another - surely if the distance of the race is changed, the PUNTER needs to be given the opportunity to either cancel their bets - or change them - but I expect this is going to be swept under the carpet - does not make it right though :dry:

bayern wrote:

Frodo wrote:

bayern - this has nothing to do with whether the trainer runs the horse - this is about the PUNTER; by default all bets are null and void if the meeting / race is changed from Turf to Poly, or changed from one track to another - surely if the distance of the race is changed, the PUNTER needs to be given the opportunity to either cancel their bets - or change them - but I expect this is going to be swept under the carpet - does not make it right though :dry:

How is this any different to say, the short priced favourite (8/1 bar one) being scratched just before the start of a race, and the newly installed favourite runs unplaced and it was not in your bet.

Conversely, had this horse won, could the other punters have the same gripe?

bayern wrote:

Frodo wrote:

bayern - this has nothing to do with whether the trainer runs the horse - this is about the PUNTER; by default all bets are null and void if the meeting / race is changed from Turf to Poly, or changed from one track to another - surely if the distance of the race is changed, the PUNTER needs to be given the opportunity to either cancel their bets - or change them - but I expect this is going to be swept under the carpet - does not make it right though :dry:

How is this any different to say, the short priced favourite (8/1 bar one) being scratched just before the start of a race, and the newly installed favourite runs unplaced and it was not in your bet.

Conversely, had this horse won, could the other punters have the same gripe?

Frodo wrote:

bayern wrote:

Frodo wrote:

bayern - this has nothing to do with whether the trainer runs the horse - this is about the PUNTER; by default all bets are null and void if the meeting / race is changed from Turf to Poly, or changed from one track to another - surely if the distance of the race is changed, the PUNTER needs to be given the opportunity to either cancel their bets - or change them - but I expect this is going to be swept under the carpet - does not make it right though :dry:

How is this any different to say, the short priced favourite (8/1 bar one) being scratched just before the start of a race, and the newly installed favourite runs unplaced and it was not in your bet.

Conversely, had this horse won, could the other punters have the same gripe?

With respect, this is not the same; in your example, one horse is scratched just before the start due to some reason - and if it is the short-priced favorite, the Stipes (or whoever) usually gives 'the punters' a few minutes to 'adjust any bets' and if the 'newly installed favorite' runs unplaced, imo that's racing (some favorites run unplaced - sh*t happens); in this case,, as I understand it, the race was knowingly changed in distance (yes only 100m - but the principle remains the same) - THIS RACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DECLARED NULL AND VOID from a punting perspective and all bets returned - IMO; and the fact that I have been personally affected by this incompetence is neither here nor there (in fact I caught the double on Races 9&10 - so in the end I actually won a few shekels on Race 10 even though my main play was on Velskoen) - again the principle remains the same

bayern wrote:

Frodo wrote:

bayern wrote:

Frodo wrote:

bayern - this has nothing to do with whether the trainer runs the horse - this is about the PUNTER; by default all bets are null and void if the meeting / race is changed from Turf to Poly, or changed from one track to another - surely if the distance of the race is changed, the PUNTER needs to be given the opportunity to either cancel their bets - or change them - but I expect this is going to be swept under the carpet - does not make it right though :dry:

How is this any different to say, the short priced favourite (8/1 bar one) being scratched just before the start of a race, and the newly installed favourite runs unplaced and it was not in your bet.

Conversely, had this horse won, could the other punters have the same gripe?

With respect, this is not the same; in your example, one horse is scratched just before the start due to some reason - and if it is the short-priced favorite, the Stipes (or whoever) usually gives 'the punters' a few minutes to 'adjust any bets' and if the 'newly installed favorite' runs unplaced, imo that's racing (some favorites run unplaced - sh*t happens); in this case,, as I understand it, the race was knowingly changed in distance (yes only 100m - but the principle remains the same) - THIS RACE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DECLARED NULL AND VOID from a punting perspective and all bets returned - IMO; and the fact that I have been personally affected by this incompetence is neither here nor there (in fact I caught the double on Races 9&10 - so in the end I actually won a few shekels on Race 10 even though my main play was on Velskoen) - again the principle remains the same

Surely this is not the first time this has happened, try and get the someone from the Tote to explain the rationale as to why the race is not declared null and void.

Again i ask, if Veldskoen had won, should the punters of the beaten horses have the same view?