Frantastic

I'm not sure why there isn't a great deal more excitement about the arrival of Frantastic, a twice winning son of Frankel, the full brother to Cracksman (Sire of the Arc Winner Ace Impact) 

On pedigree, Sadler's Wells is Northern Dancer x Lalun(Bimelech - 1x)(through Bold Reason), Galileo adds a further line of Buckpasser (1x), while Cracksman and Frantastic have Green Desert (Danzig x Lalun) 

Ace Impact reflected the addition of another line of Lalun added with Anabaa Blue being Danzig x Riverman (Lalun) - as well as he Rasmussen Factor in Alegretta. 

I can't think of a place where there's an abundance of mares that suit him down to the ground. 
Trippi (Lalun) 
Querari (Lalun) 
Jet Master(Cohoes) 
Captain Al (Buckpasser x Oak Cluster) 
Rafeef (Danzig x Buckpasser x Dancing Show x Danzig x Buckpasser) 
Al Mufti
Lecture
National Assembly 
Northern Guest 
Ideal World
Tiger Ridge 
Silvano (Bushfield) 
Gimmethegreenlight (More Than Ready x Woodman) 

I shudder to think what could happen with Trippi mares. 
Shares are available and he'll be standing in the Western Cape 

Details of syndication are available 
 

,,,,,,interesting but one would not know this if it is not as yet been added to the sire roster at the Sporting Post ,,,, where one can see another imported son of Frankel in Sharp Frank standing in the WC that has a negative race record yet has more impeccable  relatives that have local racing records in achieving success at the highest level and he is at a rock bottom stud fee..... 

youd think breeders would be stampeding to get to these two horses but the reality is the racing programe is so focused on sprinter milers and the top features are at 10 11 furlongs that the stamina of frankel is probably putting them off. same way that they really havent gone all out for gallileo. ive got a theory you cant equate english distances to local because of the going and the ups and downs on the tracks. we speak of the turffontien hill which the english will laugh their heads off at as being level on their tracks. in the old days a good english miler like foveros easily got 10 furlongs here and i think the same goes for sires - anything that went more than a mile in europe just doesnt make it here. look at the arc winner saumarez and the likes of daylami - just didnt feature here. stamina holds no currency in this country

I'm a little confused here. Perhaps you can enlighten me after perusing this

His full brother : While the Dina Washington song says "What a Difference a Day Makes," where Cracksman is concerned it was 53 days that made the difference. His first four starts saw the Frankel colt take a maiden on his only outing at 2; capture the non-black type Investec Derby Trial by a short head on his debut at 3; run third in the Investec Derby (G1); and then go down by a neck to Capri in the Dubai Duty Free Irish Derby (G1). At that stage, while he was clearly a smart youngster, it's doubtful many other than his connections marked him as a horse who would soon own superstar status.  The Irish Derby was run July 1, and when Cracksman reappeared for the Aug. 23 Great Voltigeur Stakes (G2)—a break of 53 days—it was clear he'd made significant progress, as he powered away to score by six lengths from Venice Beach, who had been beaten just a length when third in the Grand Prix de Paris (G1) on his previous outing. After an easy 3 1/2-length win in the Prix Niel (G2), Cracksman's connections—mindful that they intended to campaign him at 4—elected to sidestep a potentially grueling battle in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1), instead pointing him to the Qipco Champion Stakes (G1), where he romped by seven lengths. That performance earned Cracksman a rating surpassed only by Arrogate and Australian wonder-mare Winx on the Longines World's Best Racehorse Rankings for 2017, which also meant that he was the highest-rated 3-year-old, and highest-rated turf male. April 28, Cracksman made his 2018 seasonal debut in the Prix Ganay—Prix de l'Inauguration de ParisLongchamp (G1), and confirmed that it's going to take an exceptional horse to lower his colors this year when he stormed home four lengths clear. Cracksman is a member of the first crop sired by the astonishing Galileo son Frankel, undefeated in 14 starts over three seasons. Early evidence suggests Frankel has the potential to become equally exceptional as a sire. His first crop of 116 foals has now produced 17 individual stakes winners, 13 of those group or graded (a remarkable 11% group or graded winners to foals). He already had another champion on the board in the shape of Soul Stirring, the leader of her generation at 2 in Japan, and winner of the Yushun Hinba (G1, the Japanese Oaks) at 3. Cracksman and Frantastic'dam, Rhadegunda , a daughter of Pivotal, was an extremely consistent performer with three wins and five seconds in the last eight of her nine starts, all at 3, and including a win in the nine-furlong Prix Solitude at Fontainebleu on her final outing, which was also her only start in a black-type event. Rhadegunda is dam of four other runners, the best of which is Fantastic Moon, who took the Candy Kittens Solario Stakes (G3) at 2. Rhadegunda's dam, St. Radegund, was a minor winner in two starts. A daughter of Green Desert, she is out of On The House, heroine of the 1,000 Guineas (G1) and Sussex Stakes (G1), and is half sister to 2-year-old listed winner Art of War, and to Miss Penton, who to Pivotal, produced Rhadegunda's close relative Leo , successful in the Totesport.com Royal Lodge Stakes (G2). On The House is the only stakes winner for her dam, the unraced Lora, but that mare is already ancestress of more than 40 stakes winners, 19 group or graded and seven group or grade 1, also including another exceptional middle distance horse in Golden Horn , successful in the Ivestec Derby (G1), Coral Eclipse Stakes (G1), QIPCO Irish Champion Stakes (G1), and Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe (G1).

Lora was by Lorenzaccio, a horse most famous for defeating Nijinsky II in the Champion Stakes (G1) on that champion's final start. She was three-quarters sister to a pair of notables by Lorenzaccio's sire, Klairon, in the top-class sprinter D'Urberville and in Klairessa, dam of Habibti (IRE), one the best sprint fillies seen in Europe in recent times, and of New Zealand's great matriarch, Eight Carat (GB). Cracksman and Frantastic are examples of the cross of Galileo and sons with mares by Pivotal—which brings together Galileo's sire, Sadler's Wells and his three-quarters brother, Nureyev, the grandsire of Pivotal—and it is a cross that has so far produced eight stakes winners, including other group and grade 1 winners The United States , Hydrangea , and Rhododendron .

Cracksman is the sire of the unbeaten Ace Impact, now at stud. This mating in particular means South African mares will be highly attractive to breeders. 

 

.....not here to debate a professional pedigree boffin here....as imo the 2 sons of Frankel here both have merit.... however one is going to have a bit of strife trying to market services when there is a large difference in service fees.
   
Let me be frank as I am on record of not really being a gr8 Frankel fan(a bit Rocky Horroresque) that is until more recently with Cracksman's early stud record and have since honed in on his racing progeny... and concur whole hardheartedly with your assessment and considering that his fee is BP25K and  the fee to his full sibling here ZAR35K is a bargain. I like him as a potentially decent sire mainly based on his dam line and not because of his daddy however his paternal rival is at a stud with far more prospective mares and has an equally impressive dam line ... in that his half sibling sister is locally proven Met winner Oh Susanna...and a bigger bargain fee of only 5K....

Now  I know that there has always been a problem with local breeding folk taking to the full siblings of gr8 international sires ...when in the past many have failed. I will be studying both these sire future progeny as they should produce some gems.... but the 5K boy is gonna be the busier chap and the boutique stud Frankel may get much less and possibly produce a few of the best.....and to put a spanner in the works... my hint of an ideal mating is to have Oh Susanna covered by Frantastic... as he should also find a much better affinity with most Mr P laden mares 

my point remains - can you transpose excellent european middle distance form to the local racing pattern ? i think history shows that you cant because local conditions and the pattern are too different. just like usa horses and european horses dont really transpose very well. justify is the obvious exception but as his best are out of gallileo and other european mares that could explain it. the late david allen made an interesting observation - sa is the last bastion of nijinsky and roberto which shows the local pattern suits different pedigrees. old adage - horses for courses. just my two cents

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.....not here to debate a professional pedigree boffin here....as imo the 2 sons of Frankel here both have merit.... however one is going to have a bit of strife trying to market services when there is a large difference in service fees.
   
Let me be frank as I am on record of not really being a gr8 Frankel fan(a bit Rocky Horroresque) that is until more recently with Cracksman's early stud record and have since honed in on his racing progeny... and concur whole hardheartedly with your assessment and considering that his fee is BP25K and  the fee to his full sibling here ZAR35K is a bargain. I like him as a potentially decent sire mainly based on his dam line and not because of his daddy however his paternal rival is at a stud with far more prospective mares and has an equally impressive dam line ... in that his half sibling sister is locally proven Met winner Oh Susanna...and a bigger bargain fee of only 5K....

Now  I know that there has always been a problem with local breeding folk taking to the full siblings of gr8 international sires ...when in the past many have failed. I will be studying both these sire future progeny as they should produce some gems.... but the 5K boy is gonna be the busier chap and the boutique stud Frankel may get much less and possibly produce a few of the best.....and to put a spanner in the works... my hint of an ideal mating is to have Oh Susanna covered by Frantastic... as he should also find a much better affinity with most Mr P laden mares 

.....seems like my old eyes got the Frantastic service fee all wrong ....and yet no one called me out to correct it or call BS.....the fee is only R20K....still a bit steep but still not going to get a better book....I commend  the Viljoen's for now putting more of their cash into a breeding venture as they have mostly bought very smartly and many of their racing mares have stud potential so their sire should at least get a bit of leg over.....
 

.....still do not see anything in the SP sire roster yet....maybe waiting for the new season next week.....but seriously how are the real breeding folk supposed get wind of these potentially sensational new prospects..... if they are not put in the places where one would expect to find them....

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.....still do not see anything in the SP sire roster yet....maybe waiting for the new season next week.....but seriously how are the real breeding folk supposed get wind of these potentially sensational new prospects..... if they are not put in the places where one would expect to find them....

....see in SP that he is still on the way.....and now Sharp Frank  has an even bigger  jump on him....
 

Looking at the Sire roster as a non expert, if I had mares to plan the next few years with, I think I would think again about breeding

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Looking at the Sire roster as a non expert, if I had mares to plan the next few years with, I think I would think again about breeding

......seems like we now have a slight imbalance with too many home bred sires carrying similar genetic lines and a vast decrease in suitable mares.....and this is why the imported sons of Frankel imo look very interesting.....also several of sons of Captain Al are still strongly exhibiting similar nicks to that of his dad....I initially did not really rate One world to be that much of a cracker on the track..... but liked his ped for the shed....his better progeny are for me much easier to find...  

 

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