Calling Mathew Lips

Absolutely AB - I do not believe we have seen the best of her yet. She may just be one of SA'a better fillies but not showing her hand just yet, just showing glimpses. This is not inside info merely an opinion. One of these days she will fire at 10/1 or above and I will be on. I'm amazed how people still under rate the Marcus yard and their horses.

Pirates please see Hotlines comments above. As far as I'm aware (Hotline = Puffin)

To go back to the purpose of this post, is there anyone else out there who saw race 1 at Greyville 10/04 (raining cats and dogs). I cannot remember the horses names but the "winner" took up the running of the horse who ended up being promoted from second at the top of the straight or at least 3/4 of the way home. Yesterday the winner took up the running of a few horses - closer to the line. Similar circumstances different results. Nothing on the NHRA website about either race.

Please can I have comments from the clan. Remember the issue is consistancy of the stipes not who owns what horse or what price each was.

Horse search on Tabgold shows Cocoa Beach as accepted in event 2 on 10/05/2009 Fillies Guineas????

Same applies for polished Steel

Pirates.....are u sure abt the draw scenario....i think u are wrong.....all supplemented today....

Here's the relevant Rule from the NHRA website (easy to access by anyone who want to know any of the Rules)

69.3 When an OBJECTION is lodged in terms of RULE 68.2.6. the OBJECTION
shall not be upheld unless the OBJECTION BOARD is satisfied that:-
69.3.1 a placed HORSE was interfered with by another placed HORSE and/or its
RIDER during a RACE and the HORSE which was interfered with would, but
for the interference, have finished ahead of the HORSE which caused the
interference, in which event, the OBJECTION BOARD shall place the HORSE
which caused the interference behind the HORSE which was interfered with
or it may disqualify the HORSE which caused the interference;
69.3.2 any HORSE in the RACE was interfered with by any other HORSE and/or its
RIDER and as a result of which the chances of the HORSE interfered with
were jeopardised, the OBJECTION BOARD may, if it believes that the nature
of the interference warrants such action, disqualify the HORSE which caused
the interference.
69.4 For the purposes of RULE 69.3, a placed HORSE shall mean any of the
HORSES placed in the first five to finish the RACE by the judge.

Karel...u should know that if you are a supp entry do you get the worst draw as mentioned by Pirates?

Hi Al,

The horses concerned on 10/4 were Brooke Green (Promoted) and Whole Kaboodle (Demoted). In this race Whole Kaboodle shifted out badly causing K Teetan the jockey of Brooke Green to stop riding for a couple of strides and then continuing shifting Brooke Green outwards. The interference started at about the 300m mark and continued to just short of the finishing line. Brooke Green lost by a short head, 0.05 lengths the offical distance. In my opinion if Brooke Green was not interfered with he would have won the race.

In yesterdays race was there an offical objection lodged. Cecil in the tellytrack studio said there was a race review with no further action taken. If the stipes didn't object and the Jockey and Trainer of the interfered with horse or horses can also lay an objection. If they did not object they clearly also didn't feel that there was enough interference for either Loupe or Cocoa Beach to have beaten On Her Toes. In my opinion neither Loupe or Cocoa Beach would have definately beaten On Her Toes if no interference took place as she beat them by 0.60 lenghts and neither were doing too much catching before any interference took place..

According to the conditions of entry below, the draw only takes place after the field of 20 has been determined; it says:
Final Field And Draw: Announcement of the Final Field and Barrier Draws for the Field of 20 horses will take place on Thursday, 18 June


VODACOM DURBAN JULY
(Grade 1)
OPEN TO ALL HORSES
It is an express condition of this race that the Company reserves the right to exclude any horse, which, in its
opinion, does not warrant inclusion in the race. In addition, the Company shall have the right to exclude any
horse at Final Declaration Stage, and to decide on the final field for the race.
Weights shall be framed by the handicapper in his sole discretion and without necessarily having regard for
horses’ merit ratings, but subject to the following:
1. The weights to be carried shall not exceed 58kg and shall not be less than 50kg.
2. Minimum weight for 4-year-olds and older: Colts and Geldings 51kg Fillies and Mares 50kg
Maximum weight for 4-year and older
at publication of weights: Colts and Geldings 58kg Fillies and Mares 57kg
3. Minimum weight for 3-year-olds: Colts and Geldings 51kg Fillies 50kg
Maximum weight for 3-year-olds
at publication of weights: Colts and Geldings 55kg Fillies and Mares 54kg
4. No penalties shall be incurred after the publication of weights.
5. Notwithstanding 2 and 3 above, the handicapper will raise all weights proportionately to 58kg. should the top
weight originally allotted be less than 58kg at final declaration.
Apprentice Allowance may NOT be claimed. Qualifying ride by an Apprentice is NOT permitted.
Entries: Entries, which must be accompanied by a non-refundable fee of R6840 for each horse
entered, close at 11:00 on Wednesday, 15 April.
First Supp. Entries: Close 11:00 Monday, 4 May – R11 970 (R9 576 non-refundable)
Second Supp. Entries: Close 11:00 Monday, 8 June – R23 940 (R19 152 non-refundable)
Weights Published: Tuesday, 9 June
First Declaration: 11:00 Thursday, 11 June – R13 680 (of which R4 788 is non-refundable).
Final Declaration: Final Declarations closes 11:00 Wednesday, 17 June – R13 680
(Refunded if not selected to run).
Final Field And Draw: Announcement of the Final Field and Barrier Draws for the Field of 20 horses will take
place on Thursday, 18 June
Elimination: 20 horses will be carded for this event. Elimination will be at the sole and unfettered
discretion of the Company.
No sponsorship or branding of any sort other than that of raceday sponsors as
agreed by the Company in terms of Racing Operators Conditions 18.2, 18.3 & 18.4
will be permitted.
Public Gallops: It shall be a condition of acceptance that all runners participate in public gallops
scheduled for Thursday, 25 June. In the event of exceptional unforseen circumstances,
the Company may in its sole discretion preclude a horse/s from this condition. Further, the
Company reserves the right in its sole discretion to allow a horse stabled out of province
on the day of the gallops to work out at a race meeting in the province where stabled prior
to 25 June provided that the workout is filmed and screened on 25 June.
The nature of each horse’s workout to be at the discretion of the connections.

Sorry, I misread that big time - thought you were referring to the July....

Yip...not for the July but any race where supplemented entries are allowed.I believe a draw is automatically done for the supplemented entries and then slotted in according to what draw they get?

Let me try again...

The conditions of the Guineas say nothing about having the draw before supplementary noms.
The draws are on the website, but there are no weights yet. They come after supplementary entries.

Program reads:

Entries 11:00 Friday, 17 April 2009 Fee: R1 140
Supp Entries 11:00 Friday, 24 April 2009 Fee: R2 280
Weights Friday, 24 April 2009
Declarations 11:00 Thursday, 30 April 2009 Fee: R4 560

Having no mention of the draw looks very strange to me.

Hotline you are correct. The horses drawn after where the supplementary horse is drawn are each move back one barrier position.