Competing with the Lotto

If Racing wants turnover up why dont they:

Go to the Lotto operators and create a bet like the Sportstake does with the football and do it with horses.

Randomly pick 12 horses racing on the weekend (just like they do with 12 soccer games)

Have 3 columns (just like they do with the Sportstake soccer team A win/draw/team B win) and in those 3 columns have next to each selected horse column 1 1st or 2nd / Column 2 3rd or 4th/ Column 3 Also ran ie not in first 4 places.

I have noted the soccer spotstake takes in big money each weekend.

They could allocate % of the pool to 1. All 12 correct 2. Eleven correct 3. 10 correct.

Good idea Oscar,i like the idea of a monthly Pick six or seven, with a massive GUARENTEE of R10m or bigger.

Its worth a try,will probably do well.

Two different markets - racing is supposedly a game of skill - the lotto a game of chance - there could be a marriage of sorts but really what's in it for the lotto operator?

Yeah Oscar nice idea i only wish some of the operators would read these forums and take notes - we can only hope

Dont agree..the same could have been said as regards the Sportstake with the soccer.

If I were racing I would be trying to do a deal now before the looto guys latch on to racing and then you will see the exotic pools plumet.

Just as an example the sales ie pool for this past weekends soccer pool was R3.4m

But oscar what would the Lotto guys want to bother with giving racing exposure for - The average Lotto player is a dreamer that wants to win a billion -the average horse player wants a nice win bet or swinger at R20 a pop - taking a P6 is the lotto of racing - the lotto cannot take away our "race to mouth punters" who know that putting R10 on a 5-1 for a place can give them back R8 in profit etc - if I were the Lotto I would look at Soccer and rugby as an option but racing no - Too difficult to educate the player and too much work - lotto players want numbers without having to think about it too much - why change a winning formula to give a struggling industry exposure?

Oscar,

we think of horse racing as a mind game, a game where we like to think that if you are smarter then you can do better.

if it takes a mindless bet to save racing, at the end of it you won't need horse racing, just lottos and roulette.

at some point, we must hope that core OUR product sells.

If there's nothing more to horse racing than just the numbers in the frame, then taking a whole 35 minutes to produce the next set compared to a casino that can produce new numbers every 1 minute...

To produce a numbers once a week, why feed 1000's of horses when a wind machine with balls can do it?

www.africanbettingclan.com/forum/phorum-....php?3,121437,page=3 I am starting to think that posters only read 1 line above what they have written. look halfway down the page on this thread.

Alcaponee

I think you are missing my point.

The life blood of horse racing is the gambling Rand.

The gambling Rand had two possible routes:
-Random (easy and mindless)
-Skill (difficult)

You have to say that racing is funded by repeat offenders, not like casual visitors to Sun City. And a long term bond is not formed by mindlessness, neither will you make much from passing trade.

When I go to the races, I see many people I have known for 20 years. They still play the P6 and they still buy horses. My sister will occationally visit a casino, but will not put 1c on a horse because she knows at the casino she has the same chance as anyone, at a racecourse she has no chance against the learned.

So the casual gambler is of no use to horse racing, which is a pursuit of enthusiasts, and are normally introduced by people already involved. The industry pisses on the enthusiasts, so now they are diminishing and therefore introducing less new blood.

For 20 years racing has tried to grow the way you suggest, I wonder when they will notice it does not work.

Jack I have visited a casino about five times in the last five years to see a show - I have yet to put R1 in a machine - my better half has been racing with me about 20 times in a calendar year and I have yet to see her put R6 on a horse - you are 100% correct