MDK vs Laird

Txs Barry

Oscar,
EPO doubles the redblood cells that carry oxygen???

It works on Geldings and Mares..distances 1600m and further..400m to go..pull the whip...ears pricked...and it leaves the field behind,,ask Kevin...ask the jockey club..dont fight with me..let the jockey club give you the answer..

as for body builders, gummy bears etc....gives them endurance to train 8 hours a day..google EPO before arguing..

perhaps you should ask these gummy bears..you could make a fortune from them selling EPO and the stuff Roux was caught with..big business in the gym..

barry, I am an African from South Africa, no tan yet.
According to the studies from your government, they found that our IQ's average is 70 from 140, while the average american's IQ is 100 from 140.

Based on those studies, the possibility that I can know anything about computers is a myth.

What I fail to understand is how the Somali pirates with average IQ's of 70, issued with garden forks, spades and a rake, can outsmart the mighty amarican's with their average IQ's of 100, cabable of landing on the moon.

based on that, the somali pirates have just levelled the playibg fields, and my gardener with his garden fork, I now hold in higher esteem than the average American.

Then again, I think we must bring the forum up to date...the avarage American can be seen on the Jerry Springer show.
Yep, 95% is like that.
In africa we are poor and stupid...but you guys take the cake..

EPO has nothing to do with building a body. It is not a steroid.

Horses cannot train for 8 hours!

Unlike humans, who are not bred to be athletes, horses are and they require little training.

Yes, EPO helps stamina.

But it has nothing to do with body building.

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Andre please bud whoever you are..googling EPO and introducing the product to haemotologists and then training them how to use it to increase the haemocrit levels in the blood safely for dialysis patients..ARE two very different understandings of the product.

I marketed that product for more than 10 years.

As for EPO being used in horses ..what you say is absolutely kak..all Jockey Clubs have the tests for it and its very easy to pick up.

Do you even know how the product works???..doubling the red blood cell count is rubbish!

The product is difficult to work with, needs very very close supervision and almost daily bloodcounts as it can very quickly cause haemoconcentration which effects the heart negatively and can end up in myocard infarctions.

AS PER YOUR POSTS THAT Mike de Kock uses it to win races...in my book thats libellous and it were me I would take legal action!

We have 2 different opinions of the product.
no need to get so uptight..you might get a stroke..
you are entitled to yours and I am entitled to mine.

this is a free country.
I can think what I want.
I can suggest what I want.
and read my post then you see I choose my words carefully.
it would seem by your post that you, on the other hand are name dropping my post that suggest, to accuse...????
hence the only guy that could be in for legal action could be you..
be carefull in your anger..

I have accused you of nothing

You have given examples of horses that you say ran on EPO

I strongly disagree

Do you have more examples as Im sure the Jockey Club would like to hear about them too?

I see your post I refer to has been edited..I would ask the webmaster to reinstate that post to clarrify this issue

Hello guys its just one of these days when you dont want to have a website, have been taking plenty calls and will hopefully resolve matters soon, please just give me a bit more time.

txs

Dave

I agree that you have not accused me.
but lets stop and listen to what you are saying.

you say that you have been marketing EPO for the last 10 years.
Hence you suggest that its legal to use.

therefor, if it is legal to use, why would a trainer then want to sue me when I suggest that he runs horses on EPO..

does not make sense..

same as someone saying he has been marketing "rooibos tea" for 10 years, and me saying the trainers runs his horses on "rooibos tea". Why would the trainer want to sue me then..


so you suggest that the use of EPO is legal.
I suggest the use of EPO is illegal.

Hence I said..
get the PROF. from the jockey club to make a statement re the use of EPO.

then neither me or you have the say, but we will listen to the PROF.
better angle to solve the debate..
do you agree..

As for EPO and Body Builders...
Google "EPO BODY BUILDER"..

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Yes Andre fair point..except EPO is only legal to be used in humans for the indications the MCC has approved.

The use of EPO was first found back in the early 90's when endurance snow skiiers were found to be using it illegally in endurance races..it is not legal for any human race events nor for any animal race events..but as I say only for the indications the Medical Authorities in any country approve.

It is a biotech product, one of the first biotech products introduced worldwide and is mainly indicated for the use in patients who are on dialysis to improve their haemocrit levels so they can try and live as normal a life as possible.

I no longer work with that product as my co is in the field of anaesthesia where it is not indicated at all.

There are 2 brands available in SA both from highly respected multinational pharma cos and they would not sell to just anyone. Personally I would say that the price of using it especially on horses as the dosage is weight dependant would be prohibitive.

My responses were not against you personaqlly in any way and if it came across like that I apologise to you.

I was just giving another view as Mike is a good friend of mine and has done SA very proud worldwide in the racehorse training ranks. In my opinion he is and will be the best most successful trainer to come from SA ever.

I apologise if my responses irritated you but I do not believe that EPO is being used by any trainer in SA.

Oscar are you sure I am using the correct dosage?