neil pretorius and french racing

Really - this is ridiculous. The man is following our tote win/place dividends - quoting the "big money" moves. The win pool is 3k and the place pool is 2k.

Is it like watching the shopping channel,get the last 450 19" tv`s in the world?

French tote racing I have had my say, if you have the time and inclination "search" ABC "blind tote" and "French tote fiasco"

Why do we have to punish the punters?

sad

Dave the punters must take the blame for their own lot(to) too - If they are so sick that they want to punt blindly on France or bet into a Kenya P6 pool of R5000 let them do their cash - I susspect that soon these "addict venues" will be dropped (if shareholders wake up and complain) as they cause more harm than good and the money spent staging(airing) a Kenya race could be used more constructively - the minute or so per race spent on these wastes of time could rather be used to offer a 'real' sponsor(retail) an advertising package at reduced rates which could be linked to a local racing sponsorship - why can the boys not see the light?

Morning Mr H problems is we have a lot more punters than purists

Morning Dave, don't be so sure - Phumelela has to it's detriment underestimated the intelligence of the client - They have forced mediocre and nonsensical product into the market and the size of pools have shown that the number of 'slop machine punters' is limited - The Zimbabwe pools have not rocketed and the early am Swedish racing has not encouraged people to 'break the bank' before local racing. Kenya is a farce so the evidence is there for shareholders to see that these 'Charity' cases should be dropped as they add nothing to racing - I do not know one person with a normal day job that has told me that he needs to rush to the tote to take a bet on the carts or rush away from the Sunday braai to place a huge(R50!!!) bet on the Kenya Derby(If they indeed have one and there are more than 5 entrants) I personally enjoy WATCHING French, Mauritian, HK, Singapore and Zimbabwe(more for the local horses that have made there way there and because there are some really top breeders there) but having a punt is really not something I often do.

tell me mr hawaai or anyone else for that matter when ever have phum or gold circus ever ASKED THE PUNTERS WHAT THEY WANT,has anyone in their million years of punting ever recieved a questionaire from these two arrogant entities..i been punting 30 years and i have never been asked a single question ...mediocrity continues

Never asked but have received some SERIOUS answers from their dwindling and aging customers - Better to be the Mebeki of racing - go overseas and forget your local electorate only to find they boot you out and perhaps in time charge you for gross mismanagement(see the forth coming inquiries into AIDS policy) - If you are selling 1000 chickens per day why not try to half that and sell two idiots a TURKEY/DODO or two? Makes sense if you have little or no knowledge/passion for the game and its players. I wonder how many big spenders play the Kenya market(I suppose it's to gain market share!! The Kenya shilling is so powerful and stable that Bidvest/Rennies does not even exchange it at their forex shops)

I have to echo what Pirates says,it's a point I have brought up on here many times previously,but I have given up trying to tell PGE what I as the customer wants.They as the operators clearly have me all figured out,so they just go about their merry way making the same mistakes over and over.

The biggest mistake that they have made is to try and adopt an English model of spewing out as much drivel as possible to continually turn over the rands in punters pockets.The problem is that our market is so many times smaller than England that it cannot possibly be sustainable in the long run.Hence,enticing international clients is the solution,which as we have seen has led to all sorts of other problems.

Information is the key to racing.I most certainly don't bet on Sweden,Kenya and all the other drivel because I know nothing about it.I would not be averse to doing so if I was informed enough,if there was money to be made,but the information available is simply pathetic.PGE can't even get good scribes to write a decent article without it being full of errors and that's for local racing,so this international stuff(I speak specifically about the 'minor' meetings)will never get my money.

Nobody makes a purchase of anything without first being informed about what they are buying,be it a car,tv, etc,but PGE seems unable to realize this about the product that they sell.

Online forums have provided an opportunity for customers to finally have their say,and there have been some positives resulting from what has been said on here for example,but I still don't think that PGE has fully embraced the idea of actually listening to their customers.They see what gets said on forums as negative criticism,as opposed to realizing that we are people who are immensly passionate about the product that they sell and are criticizing them because they are too stupid to actually cater to our needs.They should have a department that specifically surfs these forums to see where our criticisms lie,because they are mostly constructive and WE ARE GIVING THEM TO THEM FOR FREE!!!

Forums and blogs are part of the new world,they should be embraced,but as per usual PGE is very slow to learn.They prefer to dictate as opposed to listening.Listening is more important than speaking,that's how we learn in life.

"They should have a department that specifically surfs these forums to see where our criticisms lie,because they are mostly constructive and WE ARE GIVING THEM TO THEM FOR FREE!!! " JAP they are listening and reading - you'll see ideas posted here being implemented on a daily basis without ANY credit being given to the originators of said ideas