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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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Well... Imagine telling Naas Botha, Joel Stransky or Kobus Wiese that they cannot interview players from, or commentate on Springbok rugby games.... "Guys - you get too emotional and you are too biased, so I think you must sit this one out today". Right, now who shall we get? How about robotron Riaan Cruywagen? But actually, although he has a montonone unemotional voice, he doesn't know much about rugby. But I'm sure he will learn in a couple of years. Yeah, we just can't have people who are emotionally interested in the game to commentate or comment on it - far too emotional. Nobody watching must ever think that there is passion or excitement in this game. It might just get out that there is fun to be had here. Ooh, and those poor buggers that are betting on the rugby? Yeah, Naas et al are all leading them astray with their biased tipping too... Poor suckers are being FORCED to lose their money in cold blood... Oh and Riaan... you may NOT mention anything about celebratory drinks in the changeroom afterwards - the public just might think the rugby crowd are a bunch of drunkards...
C'mon people, get real. There is nothing wrong with excitement. It's infectious... are you telling me that the public are going to judge racing if they turn on to Telly Track (for the *first* time, as some people have mentioned) and see Julie interviewing her brother post race and say "mad bunch these are, I mean they're getting all excited after winning a race".... yeah right...
C'mon people, get real. There is nothing wrong with excitement. It's infectious... are you telling me that the public are going to judge racing if they turn on to Telly Track (for the *first* time, as some people have mentioned) and see Julie interviewing her brother post race and say "mad bunch these are, I mean they're getting all excited after winning a race".... yeah right...
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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Well plenty inputs on the subject and imo a bad call for racing, no reason for this knee jerk reaction.
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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rubyclipper Wrote:
> Well... Imagine telling Naas Botha, Joel Stransky
> or Kobus Wiese that they cannot interview players
> from, or commentate on Springbok rugby games....
> "Guys - you get too emotional and you are too
> biased, so I think you must sit this one out
> today". Right, now who shall we get? How about
> robotron Riaan Cruywagen? But actually, although
> he has a montonone unemotional voice, he doesn't
> know much about rugby. But I'm sure he will learn
> in a couple of years. Yeah, we just can't have
> people who are emotionally interested in the game
> to commentate or comment on it - far too
> emotional. Nobody watching must ever think that
> there is passion or excitement in this game. It
> might just get out that there is fun to be had
> here. Ooh, and those poor buggers that are betting
> on the rugby? Yeah, Naas et al are all leading
> them astray with their biased tipping too... Poor
> suckers are being FORCED to lose their money in
> cold blood... Oh and Riaan... you may NOT mention
> anything about celebratory drinks in the
> changeroom afterwards - the public just might
> think the rugby crowd are a bunch of drunkards...
>
> C'mon people, get real. There is nothing wrong
> with excitement. It's infectious... are you
> telling me that the public are going to judge
> racing if they turn on to Telly Track (for the
> *first* time, as some people have mentioned) and
> see Julie interviewing her brother post race and
> say "mad bunch these are, I mean they're getting
> all excited after winning a race".... yeah
> right...
Your argument is a little bit leaky.You cannot compare rugby to racing. Rugby's bread and butter is not built on the back of punting. Naas and Joels income or family income is not affected by the outcome of a match. No one said that the "Players" or "connections" should not celebrate with a drink. They can get legless if they like but we would expect a professional/s, whether it be the organisation or employee to not "work" once they have had a few pots in.
Thats the problem with racing there is a sense of elitist entitlement. This is the riches hobby / playground and gets treated as such. Why should it be a professional operation. No wonder we cant pull in new blood / diamonds.
> Well... Imagine telling Naas Botha, Joel Stransky
> or Kobus Wiese that they cannot interview players
> from, or commentate on Springbok rugby games....
> "Guys - you get too emotional and you are too
> biased, so I think you must sit this one out
> today". Right, now who shall we get? How about
> robotron Riaan Cruywagen? But actually, although
> he has a montonone unemotional voice, he doesn't
> know much about rugby. But I'm sure he will learn
> in a couple of years. Yeah, we just can't have
> people who are emotionally interested in the game
> to commentate or comment on it - far too
> emotional. Nobody watching must ever think that
> there is passion or excitement in this game. It
> might just get out that there is fun to be had
> here. Ooh, and those poor buggers that are betting
> on the rugby? Yeah, Naas et al are all leading
> them astray with their biased tipping too... Poor
> suckers are being FORCED to lose their money in
> cold blood... Oh and Riaan... you may NOT mention
> anything about celebratory drinks in the
> changeroom afterwards - the public just might
> think the rugby crowd are a bunch of drunkards...
>
> C'mon people, get real. There is nothing wrong
> with excitement. It's infectious... are you
> telling me that the public are going to judge
> racing if they turn on to Telly Track (for the
> *first* time, as some people have mentioned) and
> see Julie interviewing her brother post race and
> say "mad bunch these are, I mean they're getting
> all excited after winning a race".... yeah
> right...
Your argument is a little bit leaky.You cannot compare rugby to racing. Rugby's bread and butter is not built on the back of punting. Naas and Joels income or family income is not affected by the outcome of a match. No one said that the "Players" or "connections" should not celebrate with a drink. They can get legless if they like but we would expect a professional/s, whether it be the organisation or employee to not "work" once they have had a few pots in.
Thats the problem with racing there is a sense of elitist entitlement. This is the riches hobby / playground and gets treated as such. Why should it be a professional operation. No wonder we cant pull in new blood / diamonds.
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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I hear you Al,
All I'm saying is that just about every presenter probably has a dop during racing...at least 1.......I'm not going to mention names but we all know who they are.
In Julie's case you can't say she isn't/wasn't/can't be professional because of 1 time having a glass of champagne to celebrate arguably one of the stables biggest winners in context.
If the Tellytrack presenters had to be ONLY professional we would have no tellytrack presenters, plain and simple!
Give the girl a break. In my eyes she has done nothing wrong but celebrate a magnificent horse. nobody felt sorry for her when the stable couldn't hit sand if they fell off a camel.
bring back Julie and let her entertain the boys......its what we are here for!
All I'm saying is that just about every presenter probably has a dop during racing...at least 1.......I'm not going to mention names but we all know who they are.
In Julie's case you can't say she isn't/wasn't/can't be professional because of 1 time having a glass of champagne to celebrate arguably one of the stables biggest winners in context.
If the Tellytrack presenters had to be ONLY professional we would have no tellytrack presenters, plain and simple!
Give the girl a break. In my eyes she has done nothing wrong but celebrate a magnificent horse. nobody felt sorry for her when the stable couldn't hit sand if they fell off a camel.
bring back Julie and let her entertain the boys......its what we are here for!
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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Racing is a social sport and not life threatning unless you have grand on the fav ?
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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Tommy, I am not gunning Julie. I am talking professionalism in general. It is simple, if you are going to celebrate and their are others on duty, let them do it and carry on celebrating away from the camera.
All these comments are based on the assumption that what has been reported is true. There may be more that we do not know which make all of my comments mute points. If we are on the mark or close then maybe professionalism should be foremost on everyones mind. We cant selectively bitch about poor management when it suites us, surely.
All these comments are based on the assumption that what has been reported is true. There may be more that we do not know which make all of my comments mute points. If we are on the mark or close then maybe professionalism should be foremost on everyones mind. We cant selectively bitch about poor management when it suites us, surely.
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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Al, the majority which has been reported came from Julie,so can be asumed to be 100%
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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I see that my point was misunderstood.I am not advocating any particular policy,merely that there be one!
If there was a laid down policy on these type of activities there would be no shock surprises leading to angry reactions.This entire furore would have been avoided.
For myself,I would prefer no tipping,no previews,no reviews and no interviews based on the standard list of 'silly questions'.......I would like to see all that money saved and just show exactly what you see on course.....various payout screens in sequence,commentary and replays.
I think that the existing expenses could be better spent,but that's just me!
If there was a laid down policy on these type of activities there would be no shock surprises leading to angry reactions.This entire furore would have been avoided.
For myself,I would prefer no tipping,no previews,no reviews and no interviews based on the standard list of 'silly questions'.......I would like to see all that money saved and just show exactly what you see on course.....various payout screens in sequence,commentary and replays.
I think that the existing expenses could be better spent,but that's just me!
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
15 years 1 month ago
Word has it that they hoping Julie will reverse her decision!
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Re: Re: Julie dumped
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They could have dropped her for the race,like Julie..
For Emma Spencer, the glamorous face of Channel 4's flat racing coverage, it was simply asking too much.
Heading for the winner's enclosure was Britain's top female jockey Hayley Turner - the woman Mrs Spencer blames for wrecking her marriage.
Not only would she have to interview her supposed rival, but would also have to congratulate her on a 40-1 victory on Brunston at Newbury races.
Perhaps not surprisingly - off-camera and off-mike, of course - 31-year-old Mrs Spencer made it clear she was unwilling to do either.
And so, with just moments to spare, her co-presenter Mike Cattermole stepped into the winner's enclosure to replace her and conduct the interview.
Mrs Spencer is said to privately blame Miss Turner for the breakdown of her marriage to champion jockey Jamie Spencer, 29.
Until late last year, when they announced they were separating, the couple were regarded as the racing world's Posh and Becks.
Both children of racehorse trainers, they married in 2005 and have a son and two daughters, all under five.
Striking sportwoman: Hayley Turner is said to have gone back to Spencers marital home while Emma was away
New face of C4: But Emma Spencer said she did not want to interview winning jockey Hayley Turner
But their marriage is said to have run into trouble over Mr Spencer's friendship with Miss Turner, 27.
Both jockeys regularly ride out on the Newmarket gallops for Michael Bell, one of the Queen's racing trainers, and are said to have become close.
Matters are said to have come to a head when Mr Spencer reportedly took Miss Turner to the marital home while his wife was away. One racing insider said: 'There are ongoing tensions between the two women.'
A spokesman for Channel 4 confirmed that Mrs Spencer had declined to interview Miss Turner after she won the Berry Bros & Rudd Magnum Spring Cup on April 17 on 40-1 Brunston.
'Emma would prefer not to interview Hayley - it is in the interests of both parties to avoid any unnecessary tensions,' he said.
'Given the circumstances, we decided that Mike Cattermole would do the interview.'
The spokesman said it was not a unique problem within racing.
'Quite a few of our presenters have people they do not want to interview, be it owners, trainers or other connections,' he added.
'We work as a team so there is always someone else to do the interview.'
Miss Turner, a former joint champion apprentice, became the first woman jockey to ride 100 winners in a year in 2008 and has won several top sporting awards including Channel 4's Racing Personality of the Year.
Although the Spencers are living apart, Mr Spencer and Miss Turner are not said to be an 'item'.
A spokesman for Miss Turner declined to comment on what he called 'a private matter'.
Although Mrs Spencer refuses to interview Miss Turner says she is willing to speak to her estranged husband if, and when, he wins a race televised by Channel 4.
In an interview last month she said: 'I don't think it would be awkward interviewing Jamie. I would like to think I am professional and he is professional.
'We have three children and are on good terms ... I can't see it being a problem.'
For Emma Spencer, the glamorous face of Channel 4's flat racing coverage, it was simply asking too much.
Heading for the winner's enclosure was Britain's top female jockey Hayley Turner - the woman Mrs Spencer blames for wrecking her marriage.
Not only would she have to interview her supposed rival, but would also have to congratulate her on a 40-1 victory on Brunston at Newbury races.
Perhaps not surprisingly - off-camera and off-mike, of course - 31-year-old Mrs Spencer made it clear she was unwilling to do either.
And so, with just moments to spare, her co-presenter Mike Cattermole stepped into the winner's enclosure to replace her and conduct the interview.
Mrs Spencer is said to privately blame Miss Turner for the breakdown of her marriage to champion jockey Jamie Spencer, 29.
Until late last year, when they announced they were separating, the couple were regarded as the racing world's Posh and Becks.
Both children of racehorse trainers, they married in 2005 and have a son and two daughters, all under five.
Striking sportwoman: Hayley Turner is said to have gone back to Spencers marital home while Emma was away
New face of C4: But Emma Spencer said she did not want to interview winning jockey Hayley Turner
But their marriage is said to have run into trouble over Mr Spencer's friendship with Miss Turner, 27.
Both jockeys regularly ride out on the Newmarket gallops for Michael Bell, one of the Queen's racing trainers, and are said to have become close.
Matters are said to have come to a head when Mr Spencer reportedly took Miss Turner to the marital home while his wife was away. One racing insider said: 'There are ongoing tensions between the two women.'
A spokesman for Channel 4 confirmed that Mrs Spencer had declined to interview Miss Turner after she won the Berry Bros & Rudd Magnum Spring Cup on April 17 on 40-1 Brunston.
'Emma would prefer not to interview Hayley - it is in the interests of both parties to avoid any unnecessary tensions,' he said.
'Given the circumstances, we decided that Mike Cattermole would do the interview.'
The spokesman said it was not a unique problem within racing.
'Quite a few of our presenters have people they do not want to interview, be it owners, trainers or other connections,' he added.
'We work as a team so there is always someone else to do the interview.'
Miss Turner, a former joint champion apprentice, became the first woman jockey to ride 100 winners in a year in 2008 and has won several top sporting awards including Channel 4's Racing Personality of the Year.
Although the Spencers are living apart, Mr Spencer and Miss Turner are not said to be an 'item'.
A spokesman for Miss Turner declined to comment on what he called 'a private matter'.
Although Mrs Spencer refuses to interview Miss Turner says she is willing to speak to her estranged husband if, and when, he wins a race televised by Channel 4.
In an interview last month she said: 'I don't think it would be awkward interviewing Jamie. I would like to think I am professional and he is professional.
'We have three children and are on good terms ... I can't see it being a problem.'
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