U.K. appies vs S.A. appies... it's not too KOSHER me thinks

I have just discovered what appears to b a BIG IRREGULARITY between S.A. apprentices & U.K. apprentices.

Apparently in U.K. you are an apprentice till you turn 26 or have 100 wins. Once you turn 26 & say you've only ridden " 60 winners " you still HAVE YOUR CLAIM till you reach your 100 wins. ( you are now a jock but can still claim - so I've been told )

In S.A. you do your 5 years. If you reach 50 wins within that time YOU NO LONGER CLAIM, but you are still an appy till you've done your time.

Now most of us know Donovan Mansour has landed himself a plum job in the U.K. & I wish him well - He has had about 70 wins according to N.H.R.A.
In S.A. HE HAS NO CLAIM....but he is still an appy i believe... but now send him to U.K. & HE CAN CLAIM TILL HE'S HAD HIS 100 WINS ? Is this correct ?

Is that why they are so keen to get hold of him - for his claim ?

Now send out an appie EX U.K.with 30 OR 40 WINS & he can claim till THEY'VE GOT THEIR 100 WINS. In other words an appie ex U.K. arriving here with 20 wins..... could be an appie in S.A. in 7 or 8 years time, depending on when they get their 100 wins.

So in a nutshell..... the .S.A. appie goes to U.K. for his/her benefit !
The U.K. appie comes to S.A. for his / her benefit !

Can someone from N.H.R.A. confirm / deny what I have just discovered ? Pity Vee has move on, I'm sure he could have helped us.

Hibs what can you tell us from your side ?

Elvis... I think its a case of either or... either you serve your five years or get 50 wins... whichever comes first... so I dont think a U.K appie could remain an appie here (he would hit 5 years first)... But Mansour can still use his claim in the U.K.... I think our system is way better personally... it helps appies realise quite quickly whether they can cope or not... why waste all that time in the U.K system struggling and then giving up and looking for a new career at 26????

Hi Mickey, I've been told differently to what you say......& that is a U.K. appie in SA keeps their claim till 100 wins.
They signed their " indentures ? " in U.K. & apparently this ruling stands for the U.K. appie - so I'm told.

Elvis, on the UK rules site now and will post what i find,have also sent emails to Phum city and The Uk Equiv..



Ps when farting about i found the application form for apprentice jocks and filled it in for a laugh..6`7 and 17 1/2 stone so might not get an interview ( APPLY HERE

What would happen TO Tswaro Appie which rule applies to him??

Elvis, couldn`t find any relevent rules on the uk website,so will have to wait and see if we get a response..

ps Vee is still in office until the end of June..

shayne, I'm not sure what you're getting at about Tswaro ?

Elvis im not sure shayne knows what he means

Seeing we have such clarity on appie rules i was a wondering if perhaps tshwaro has his own rules. Because he will always be an appie no matter where he goes

duh

hello Shayne, the penny has dropped at last, we're a bit slow here on the east rand.

In Hong Kong appies claim until they have had 70 wins and then become jocks but now even the local jockey's claim for life as they were struggling to get rides, imagine a 37 year old jock still claiming ! So jocks claim 3LBS until they have 100 wins and thereafter 2LBS for life.

Elvis got this reply from The UK,and Vee was readying a reply,scroll to the bottom...




Bob



Thank you for your email.



In answer to your questions:

Apprentice and Conditional Jockeys
To compensate for their initial lack of experience and success in comparison to fully licensed jockeys, young jockeys claim a weight allowance at the beginning of their career and ride as “Apprentices” on the Flat or “Conditionals” under National Hunt Rules.

Eligible applicants for an Apprentice or Conditional jockeys licence must be aged over 16 – but under 26 years and in the full time employment of a Licensed Trainer. It is the trainer who decides when the jockey is competent and ready to race-ride, and makes a joint application with the individual to the British Horseracing Authority.

To download an application form or a copy of the Suitability Criteria Guidance Notes for Apprentice and Conditional Jockeys Licences, please follow the links below.

Apprentices: Jockeys Licence Application form

Conditionals: The Conditional Jockey Application Forms are currently under review and will appear here shortly.

Medical Report Form

Requirements
As part of the application, the prospective jockey is required to attend, and satisfactorily complete, a five-day course at either the British Racing School or Northern Racing College. They must also undergo a medical examination and meet the Medical Standards for ‘Fitness to Ride’ and the Assessment of Concussion protocol.

All course reservations are made through the Licensing Department using the prescribed form. For further information regarding the courses, please either contact the licensing team on 0207 152 0140*, email licensing@britishhorseracing.com, or follow the links below for details of the racing schools.

British Racing School

Northern Racing College

Once a licence is granted, the Apprentice or Conditional’s progress is monitored and he/she is expected to progress in the amount of rides they have from one season to the next.

Jockeys will be required to attend further training courses during the course of their career. Individuals may be asked to attend Continuation Training, which is aimed at Jockeys riding with a 7lb claim and/or further Advanced Training for those who have ridden in excess of 20 winners. Trainers will be advised by the Department when their Jockey is required to attend such courses.

When they have either ridden out their claim, or passed the age limit to hold an Apprentice or Conditional licence (on reaching 26 years old) the jockey may apply for a Full Professional Jockey’s licence.

The Claim
Apprentices and Conditionals are entitled to claim an allowance under Rule (F)140 when riding against full professional jockeys.

The allowances range from 7lb to 3lb depending on how many winners the jockey has ridden. Riders’ Allowances may be claimed as follows:

Apprentices:

7lb until they have won 20 races

5lb until they have won 50 races

3lb until they have won 95 races

TO SUMMARISE:



1. Apprentice Jockeys must be under the age of 26 and claims the following weight allowance:

7lb until he has won 20 races,
after that, 5lb until he has won 50 races, and
after that, 3lb until he has won 95 races.

For further information please see the handicapping section of our Rules website here.

2. For full details of Apprentice licenses, please use the following link: rules.britishhorseracing.com//Orders-and...ticID=126055&depth=3

3. An Apprentice jockey coming to Britain from abroad would have to pass all of the above criteria to be granted a licence in Britain (which is unlikely as under immigration laws we can only license established jockeys at present)…However, if he were to ride here in Britain, he would be able to claim 3lb.



I hope that this helps to clarify the matter for you.



Kind regards





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