'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

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'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

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Barney Curley: 'Nobody will win as much on horse racing in 100 years'

He has mentored three jockeys for this week's Derby, but the bet that won him millions earlier this month is his greatest high. He tells Chris McGrath how he did it.



'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'


He has been out working a horse on the gallops. "Not a sinner about," he says, with wry satisfaction. "Sunday morning, they're all in bed." But the wind has exacerbated his conjunctivitis. There's something wrong with his ears, too – they're stuffed with cotton wool. Barney Curley moves slowly, nowadays, can't walk very far. Last year he lay in hospital for three months. "Lucky to get out. It was evens each of two, live or die." He's 70. And three weeks ago he pulled off one of the most extravagant gambles in the long history of the Turf.

"Nobody will ever win as much on horse racing, this century," he pronounces, in his measured Co Fermanagh tones. Quite how much, he will not say, though industry estimates of £1m sound hopelessly conservative.

One of the men who helped manage a project of rococo complexity, joining us in Curley's sitting room, suggests that it was first discussed before some of the horses involved were even born. Come the day – a humdrum Monday 10 May – four were linked in a series of trebles and accumulators. Three are trained by Curley himself, in probably the smallest stable in Newmarket. The fourth he had sold in 2008 to Chris Grant, a trainer on Teesside.

Agapanthus won at Brighton; then Savaronola did the business at Wolverhampton. But Curley's third runner, Sommersturm, was beaten later on the card. That left Grant's horse, Jeu De Roseau, who made his first appearance in 742 days to win at Towcester's evening meeting.

Had Sommersturm completed the job, the bookmakers would all have reached their various maximum payouts – an aggregate Curley reckons at over £20m. But it has been hard enough getting them to pay out, as it is. "I'm pleased the other one didn't win," he insists. "If these fellows can't pay three, what chance would we have with four?"

Previously, Curley was most celebrated for Yellow Sam, who won at a country track in Ireland in 1975. There was only one telephone at Bellewstown, and Curley had a friend act out a prolonged call to a fictional dying aunt, so blocking desperate attempts by off-course bookmakers to cut Yellow Sam's starting price. His winnings have been computed as the equivalent of €1.7m (£1.4m) today.

Such a ruse, of course, could not be entertained since the advent of mobile phones. "People were telling me that our day had gone," Curley says. "You know, punters I knew over the years. It's finished, they said, over. I never thought like that. Because bookmakers are always trying something new, to rob punters, to get them to bite. That's what beats them. The greed."

And that's what spurs Curley. He doesn't need the dough. Since the loss of his teenage son, Charlie, in a car accident in 1995, his chief purpose in life has been a charity he set up in Zambia. In his youth, Curley studied to become a Jesuit. For all the picaresque and iconoclastic flourishes of his life since, he is respected by some of the most eminent horsemen of his era.

Sheikh Mohammed once facilitated a donation of £2.5m to his charity. Trainers with 20 times as many horses in their care consult his opinion. When they arrived as teenagers, from Italy and Ireland respectively, he was mentor to subsequent champion jockeys in Frankie Dettori and Jamie Spencer. His latest protégé, Tom Queally, will be joining them in the Investec Derby on Saturday.

So why persevere with the precarious adventures that redeemed him from the penury of younger days? "It's not for the money," Curley says. "It's for the buzz. Beat the system, you know, beat those bookmakers, those smart-arses. You go into a betting shop and see them robbing these poor fellows, with these gaming machines. They're as addictive as crack cocaine. You see them coming back to the counter with their credit cards, for another tenner. Of course the great thing about those machines is that number nine won't go to even money and win five lengths."

Equally, he remembers sitting in hospital and reading about footballers on £100,000 a week. "I know they're the best at what they do," he says. "But here's me, the best at what I do. And every year, when I came to a certain figure, I said: 'That's enough'. But now I thought: 'I've been underpaying myself the last 15 years. My job's a lot harder. It's about time I caught up with these fellows.'"

Granted that it all pays off, the planning almost seems its own reward. Curley invokes a draughts board. "You'd change the pieces hundreds of times," he says. "Put horse A there, and have horse B in here. But this one's not going well, that one's lame. And we're operating with very few horses, you know. Take horse B out. A week later, back in again. It's not easy. Horses are so unpredictable."

The one that excited most curiosity is probably Jeu De Roseau, but Curley has nothing to hide. Grant is a friend of Andrew Stringer, Curley's assistant. "And I've sold him numerous horses over the years," he says. "If there are five gentlemen in racing, Chris Grant is one of them. A decent, honest, hard-working fella. We were at this sale, and I said to him: 'You should buy this one, there could be a turn in him. He's been sick, given us nothing but trouble. But he did show a bit of form, back in Ireland.' A thousand quid. Can't go wrong."

A while ago, Grant telephoned. The horse had begun to thrive. Curley was sceptical. What would Grant have, to work him with? But he was insistent. "The horse had a very bad virus when he was here, looked terrible," Curley remembers. "And he was saying he was looking well now, that he's turned a corner."

Grant was thinking of running him at Towcester. "That's funny," Curley replied. "I've been trying to find a horse to run in the seller on the card." He had been ringing round, looking to fill another barrel in the bet. But nobody had come up with the right horse. In the event, Jeu De Roseau enabled Curley to switch his sights to a handicap instead.

But the real miracle was for three of his own horses – he only has 11 – to peak together. Their own reformation was mental rather than physical. "Agapanthus turned nasty last year," he says. "We rested him, he loved his day out hurdling, just began to shine. And we did the same with [Savaronola], he was a right nasty piece of goods when he came. One day at Southwell he kicked the place down. Now he's as quiet as a lamb. The horses here have the best time of any stable in the world."

A strategy was gradually refined. A network of agents picked, tested, discarded or trusted. Bets synchronised. "Fifty pounds in the wrong place," he says. "That's all it would have needed. And most people are untrustworthy, when it comes to money."

But much else remains beyond control. There were evidently other days, other horses. It was like postponing the Normandy landings for bad weather. When Grant's horse entered the equation, 22 other entries had to be scratched just to get a run. "Same as someone robbing a bank," Curley says. "The next thing, hasn't been seen for years, but there's a police car parked over the street. You can't plan for things like that. And then, on the Saturday morning, one of them was dead lame. The vets were here, the blacksmiths were here. There was no shouting, no roaring. Quarter to ten, I went up to Mass. If it's going to come, it's going to come. And the next couple of days it got better, and he was just sound to race. In normal circumstances, I'd have done nothing with him for a week."

Another medical drama, for Curley himself, saw him detained in hospital until Monday afternoon. "I get out of all this carry-on at 3.40, so I'm just back in the house to watch Agapanthus at 4.10," he says. "But it was nothing to do with stress or anything. Just my blood was wrong. I'd be watching those races like I'm sitting here now, smoking. My heart would be..." He holds out an impassive hand. "You know, we'd done all we can, that's it."

Now he winds up the flash young jockeys, asking which is the best Mercedes on the road? But all he really wants is to get back to Zambia. September at the earliest, according to his doctors. Direct Aid For Africa has built a school for 1,600 in Zambia. "In racing, people always want to get on your arm," he reflects. "The people giving their lives out there, they don't want anything off you. And once you've been out, it draws you back – those children with their big brown eyes looking up at you, with nothing to eat."

His wife, Maureen, reproaches him for squandering his gifts on horses. "She says I should have been managing director of Tesco, something like that." He pauses, shrugs. "You see, I believe peace of mind is a great thing to have. And I've wonderful peace of mind."

After reading about the coup, Dettori telephoned Curley. "I hear you've had a touch," he said. "I'm pleased. Because the news on the street was that you were losing it."

They had begun to forget about Barney Curley. And now, suddenly, he has left an immortal footprint on the Turf. "It's something I don't think will ever be done again," he says. It will be a good while, however, before any bookmaker grows at all complacent in that assumption.

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Re: Re: 'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

15 years 2 months ago
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Closed accounts and immediate refunds – why Curley's full jackpot remains unpaid

By Chris McGrath, Racing Correspondent

Wednesday, 2 June 2010

Barney Curley's coup represents a new pinnacle after a lifetime of betting, but he does not like everything about the view. Though he stresses his respect for most bookmakers, he wants to draw attention to the way some firms, as he sees it, are trying to wriggle away from debts of honour.

Most big operators paid promptly, and in full – Ladbrokes, Coral, William Hill and so on. Stan James also honoured the outstanding liabilities of a smaller chain, after a subsequent takeover. "And there are certain small firms that can't pay," Curley adds. "They don't have the money, and they've said they'll pay so much a month. That's fine. I wouldn't want to put anyone on the street. I wouldn't want to ruin anyone. But it's these other comedians. Look at this. It's sharp practice.

He shows me a dossier. According to Curley, at 2.06 pm on 10 May, with military discipline, four Sportingbet account holders staked a £100 treble, each comprising a different combination of the four horses involved in the gamble. A fifth account struck a £50 Yankee, a multiple bet that combined all four. Prices were requested and laid.

He says that at 3.10pm, the four who had staked trebles were sent emails stating that their accounts had been closed, and their bets voided. In the meantime, of course, a wildfire of panic had been ignited through the industry, and the odds were being slashed. Then, at 4.09 pm, just seconds before the first horse ran at Brighton, the holder of the Yankee account was sent the same email, he claims.

The one treble that survived the defeat of Sommersturm should have paid £27,000; the Yankee, £99,000.

Subsequent emails from Sportingbet to these clients cite the terms and conditions of their business. One reserves the right to refuse a bet for no reason; also to close an account and refund the balance with no explanation. Curley argues that these wagers had not been refused and as such, should be honoured as "outstanding bets".

Sportingbet was contacted yesterday by The Independent but has yet to put its side of the story.

Curley is always scrupulously careful, he says, not to play into the hands of his enemies within the Establishment. The British Horseracing Authority is understood to have no concerns about the past performances of any of these horses. "If you're at the edge of the rules – well, they're the boss, you have very little comeback," Curley reasons. "And certain people would be delighted to put the knife in."

Even so, other firms are holding out. Curley says that another off-shore, on-line bookmaker paid out a client £11,910 on 18 May, and then retrieved that sum a week later, without notice, claiming that the bets were being investigated as "irregular or possibly fraudulent". Two small firms have tried to void bets due to suspicious betting patterns, and online payments by another are still pending.

If necessary, Curley and his men will take their creditors to the independent betting arbitration service. "But it shouldn't be that way," he complains. "In the big scheme of things, it's only what I call 'walk-around' money. We're all right. We've plenty of money. But what if it was some other poor devil?"

The whole beauty of his scheme was that it targeted the bookmakers' soft centre. Multiple bets are monitored less vigilantly. Only an optimist, as a rule, would try to group four winners on one ticket. Curley believes he can show that some bookmakers squeal when they discover that they have not, for once, been dealing with mugs.

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Re: Re: 'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

15 years 2 months ago
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What a legend!

Barney wouldn't exactly make it into the annals for the most open and transparent horseman though.

I guess when u plan a coup like that for months if not years u not gonna tell all and sundry about it.

I hope those immoral stinking bookies pay up and get taken to the cleaners...

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Re: Re: 'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

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Yes he has become a bit of a folk hero and adds spice to racing. (tu)

However always two sides to every story and how many punters "run away" from bad bookies debt.

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Agreed there are plenty non payers out there but I have a problem with bookmakers giving credit in general.

As far as I'm concerned if a punter needs credit to gamble he shouldn't be gambling.That would solve the non paying problem but I promise you the greedy bookies have no problem in extending credit to addicted gamblers and guys who are doing their brains every week...

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Re: Re: 'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

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Saksy do the UK firms still give credit? sure Jack Ramsden scunered them 20 or so years ago?

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Kilbeggan betting coup was just for fun - Taylor


THE extraordinary betting coup pulled off at Kilbeggan on Monday evening was "just for fun and not for the money", according to its mastermind Douglas Taylor.

200 runners where paid between €10 and €30 to place a €200 win bet onD Four Dave five minutes before the off of the Hurley Family Handicap Hurdle at 7pm, a horse Taylor, the MCR Group's managing director, part-owns.

All were given a letter - a copy of which was obtained by the Irish Racing Post - with detailed instructions as to how to carry out the task and a watch to ensure all bets were placed at exactly the same time in separate betting shops around the Dublin and Kildare area.

The Conor O'Dwyer-trained D Four Dave was available at 14-1 on the morning of the gamble and opened up at 7-1 on course, but was sent off at just 5-1 before galloping to an easy victory under Mark Walsh.

If each of the 200 runners had placed the €200 on the seven-length winner at the price show they would have won at least €200,000.

However, the vast majority of the 200 individuals employed to place the bets were foreign nationals, as the organisers sought to minimise the risk of information being leaked, and some could not read the instructions, while others tried to place the bet after the race had concluded.

Even with these hiccups, Taylor could confirm that the winning total was "not far off €200,000", added: "Like all good plans, this came together over a few pints of Guinness with a few close friends. I went in to work the very next day and set everyone to work on it.

"We were quietly confident on the evening. Conor O'Dwyer thought he was improving all the time and reckoned the trip would suit him.

"It didn't quite goto plan, some people didn't make the journey and others got the instructions mixed up. It was just for fun and not for the money though."

The funds used to bankroll the operation came from Taylor andseveral of his friends, but his winnings are plenty to put on a substantial party next Saturday to celebrate his recent wedding.

He added: "I got married on Saturday last and people were asking me was I nervous. I was telling them 'yes' - but I meant I was nervous about Monday. What we don't spend on the wedding party and will go on our honeymoon."

Although the plan to cause a betting coup was dreamt up by Taylor and his friends, the finer details were polished up by a well-known source.

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Re: Re: 'I do it for the buzz,' says Barney Curley. 'Beat the system, beat those smart-arse bookies'

14 years 7 months ago
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Barney says racings finished ,brilliant interview just shown in the uk,says racing needed leaders 20 years ago and now its too late!

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> Barney says racings finished ,brilliant interview
> just shown in the uk,says racing needed leaders 20
> years ago and now its too late!

Some things are obviously international.>:D<

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Was a brilliant intervew Magic,he started it off with "i don`t usually give interviews to racing channels" but you MR Copper are a "gentleman"

not men, man lol

IF it wasnt for the Arabs we would be extinct..

Then talking about his winner he said i told the Owner she was a listed horse,i just didn`t tell him in what country,but "Patsy Byrne" has more money than god

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