Kimberley claims don't seem to be too KOSHER

Hi guys,

re my runner Gale force var - yesterday in 1st at Kimberley. I believe this horse " opened up " at 8 or 9/1 to go straight to 13/10 or EVEN MONEY. I think this is a load of hogwash, & possibly the bookmakers realized they priced up " INCORRECTLY " & amended the betting accordingly.

what happened to that ruling - 1st timers can be claimed to win either 10G or 20 G MAX.... before they alter the betting.

If they stood the horse to win 20G, how can it shorten so dramatically. what happened to the 8/1 - 5/1 - 3/ 1 - evens ?

I think it's a whole lot of crap from the bookmakers........ CAN ANYONE ON THIS SITE TELL ME OF AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER HORSE GOING FROM 8/1 to evens, immediately ?

the betting was sooo short, I never had by original bet on. Thank you bookmakers..... & I did get it back with young Elvis in R3 ... which paid R4.10 on the tote !

all in all a good day had by all... Mrs. Elvis's boss's horse won R 9 - THE CITADEL, we were told to lead it in if it got the treble- which it did.

JUST A BLOODY LONG DRIVE BACK.... Hats off to the Spies stable, who make this trek to Kimberley... WEEK AFTER WEEK, I admire them.

The claim on a first timer is only 10k, but not sure how much it should shorten, but certainly not from 8/1 to evens?
If not mistaken should have gone from 8/1 to 6/1 or maybe 5/1 ?

the claim of a 1st timer in kimberly is 5 grand

ElvisisKing Wrote:

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> Hi guys,
>
> re my runner Gale force var - yesterday in 1st at
> Kimberley. I believe this horse " opened up " at
> 8 or 9/1 to go straight to 13/10 or EVEN MONEY.
> I think this is a load of hogwash, & possibly the
> bookmakers realized they priced up " INCORRECTLY "
> & amended the betting accordingly.
>
> what happened to that ruling - 1st timers can be
> claimed to win either 10G or 20 G MAX.... before
> they alter the betting.
>
> If they stood the horse to win 20G, how can it
> shorten so dramatically. what happened to the 8/1
> - 5/1 - 3/ 1 - evens ?
>
> I think it's a whole lot of crap from the
> bookmakers........ CAN ANYONE ON THIS SITE TELL ME
> OF AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER HORSE GOING FROM 8/1 to
> evens, immediately ?
>
> the betting was sooo short, I never had by
> original bet on. Thank you bookmakers..... & I did
> get it back with young Elvis in R3 ... which paid
> R4.10 on the tote !
>
> all in all a good day had by all... Mrs. Elvis's
> boss's horse won R 9 - THE CITADEL, we were told
> to lead it in if it got the treble- which it did.
>
> JUST A BLOODY LONG DRIVE BACK.... Hats off to the
> Spies stable, who make this trek to Kimberley...
> WEEK AFTER WEEK, I admire them.


SO can anyone explain what happened to Jack Dan?? Should have won running in reverse!

Forgot to say nice run yesterday Elvis,things seemed to happen a bit quick early in the race,but finished the race of well..

pirates a R5 G claim in kimberley makes it even worse.......... it would be great if someone from the bookmakers association can put us in the picture.... but I doubt it.

Have sent an email

The full claim in Kimberley for first timer is 5K and a runner 10k

Other centres are 10k on a first timer and 25k on a runner..




Hi Dave this is the movement log on the mentioned horse at Flamingo Park Race 1 #9
The 8/1 was claimed into 3/1, the 3/1 was claimed into 1/1, the other moves were race time market moves
The claim is R5000 on first timers in Flamingo Park.

Hi there Dave, I have been asked to advise you of the following:



There are no rules iro claims and shortening thereof.
The amount any horse will shorten once claimed is subject too many variables,inter alia,here are some:

-First timers are treated with more caution than raced horse were the form is exposed.
Obviously the Bookmakers /Odds makers responsible for the betting are not necessarily privy to the info iro first timers and nor are there barrier/time trails,hence the obvious erring on the side of caution.

-Cognisance of the marketability of trainers and jockeys is allowed for,eg it is fact that Marcus attracts more money than a fellow seasoned jockey for eg Mienie.

-Is the horse returning from a layoff and its well being not known??

What the public need to remember is that the exposure of the claim syndicate is not the deciding factor.There are many Bookmakers not part of the claim syndicate who rely on the accuracy of BODDS to lay sizable bets and manage their businesses and such to protect their interests as well as ensure the public get a fair deal we will adjust the claims accordingly and lengthen other horses to balance the betting fairly to all parties.

With respect to the above claim the horse concerned was the stable companion to the original favourite and the fact that more than one Bookmaker tried to claim it as betting opened ,it alerted the Odds maker that it might well be a dangerous claim and bearing the above in mind was shortened accordingly.
Taking into consideration the trade on the horse at race time and the SP, the shortening in hindsight was fully justifiable and 8/1 opening price with hindsight was clearly incorrect.As Bookmakers that the risk we obviously take and happily except as part and parcel of the job so long as mistakes are quickly rectified to avoid undue and over exposure.

I trust the above explanation answers the query raised.

Thanks Hibs,

I will agree that this horse apparently opened up at generous odds ( for a few mins )8/1..... it shoud have been more like 6/1 or 5/1

What annoys me the most is that 2 tiny bets ( 5000/625 , horse goes from 8/1 to 3/1..... the 5000/1666.... the horse goes to EVENS )

This horse is now backed to win a MASSIVE 10G, & the horse is EVEN MONEY............ HOW MAY BOOKMAKERS ARE THERE IN GAUTENG ? 20 ? 40 ?

HOW MANY BOOKMAKERS IN THE COUNTRY BET ON KIMBERLEY RACING ? 100 COUNTRY WIDE. ?

This is just a big bloody joke, that between all these bookmakers, they panic cause they stand to loose 10G....... what about laying the horse off if you don't want to carry the whole bet ?

THESE AREN'T BOOKMAKERS..... THEY MORE LIKE MICE....... & GUESS WHAT THE HORSE GETS BEAT........ HOW MUCH DID THEY MAKE ? NEXT TO NOTHING YOU BET, cause when the horse went to Evens, most guys would have said they missed the boat...... leave it alone..

the horse eventually DRIFTED IN THE BETTING TO 13/10 WHY ? probably cause they couldn't lay the horse any more.

A JOKE THIS IS....... A BIG BLOODY JOKE !

If the bookmakers adjusted there percentages right, and you thought that your horse should have been a 5/1 shot,then the whole field bar your horse becomes great value for you. I know you would have liked to back your horse but this could have been a great opportunity for you to make some money.

agreed russel, I did save money, but the way it was done just stinks.

If that horse was backed to win 100G or 200G, then it has every right to be SHORT IN THE BETTING, but what happened to 8/1 - 5/1 - 3/1 ?
from 8's to 3's to EVENS.......... UNREAL. for 10G nogall !