Sean Tarry Racing

Yeah I miss the guy, if he was on we wouldve had a 1000 hits and 2pages by now, without trying to stir the pot I remember Fradd being investigated for race fixing in HK about 8years ago, I think he was found innocent because he went back to ride there!

Spot on bad company, I wonder if thats why he back full time in SA?

My advice to everyone is to stay away from the combi's of S G Tarry/ R Fradd and D Kannemeyer/ K Neisius. They seem to love the odds on favourites to run nowhere. Their race results in recent years speak for it self.

I will never support them again whether they fielding a "sure thing" or a "donkey".

I guess we all just have to be more selective when choosing our races that we want to bet on because when things seem to good to be true it usually are.

Keep the racing passion.

CJ

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I dont think increased prize money will solve this . One way to minimize it is to get rid of bookmakers !

stable's last 50 runs had 20 favs, 6 won, 5 of them were ridden by Robbie Fradd.
overall 9wins from 50 runs(18% strike rate), 7 ridden by Robbie Fradd....

Bushy Wrote:

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> Tarry is known to be a punter himself, to pull an
> odds on they could very easily profit further,
> especially

The last time some idiot said the same of Neisius, the figures Magic provided showed he in fact was the winningest jock on favourites at the time, mostly made favourite by a following public, and if you added the "pulled" losing favourites he would have been the winningest jockey alive of miraculous proportions.

@bushy,wagga,solo
I hope you have a bit more than your opinion of the results to make these kind of theories public and to name and shame specific people as corrupt thieves.

The amount of fraud and collusion would be staggering. If the owners and jockey is in on it, they would have to be compensated. As a bare minimum, you would need a bookmaker to lay as much as they can (know fully the 100% paper), so that means actively offering the horse so you get to hold proper money. if the owners are innocent, the trainer is defrauding them, and so is the jockey. The jockey has to skilfully lose, knowing that the betting tracks for a decent strike will leave a vapour trail like the concord jet in our tiny markets. They would be moronic to not play the tote brassing their favourite to try win as much of the pool as possible, pick a number. You need people to help, with cash. Would involve 4 people minimum I would think. So how much can you win, how do you distribute? Cash? Would millionaire jocks expose themselves like this, and how much would they bet the rest of their career for, knowing someone(s) standing in a tote queue with cash about to generate convincing evidence that could finish them. The trainer, bookmaker, jockey, getter-on-ers team better be a very tight team.

Now you imply this is going on all the time?

Txs Jack have just seen a similar post on PE thread, guys horses are flesh and blood and "hotties" get beat , I am not saying that racing is corrupt free however just give some of the posts a bit more thought before you start pointing fingers

Txs

How, In A Second was odds on amazes me. His penultimate run was against one of the worst fields I have ever seen. Laptev who won that race ran 13th out of 14 runners 11:00 behind the winner and Guys Image who ran third in that race ran stone last next time out 35 lenghts behind the winner. Gypsey Honour who ran 4th did do better than Guys Image running 7th 10.25 lenghts behind Grey's Anatomy. In A Second's run is consistant with the performances of the horses coming out of the Laptev formline. I am not surprised that in that field a first timer won.

Robbie Fradd is not my favorite jockey either but I think from the In A Second run it is a bit of a stretch to call him a cheat.

Bushy Wrote:

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> Tarry is known to be a punter himself, to pull an
> odds on they could very easily profit further,
> especially if its a maiden race for example. just
> like his money was on kolkata on gold cup day, and
> got beat on the line by aslan, he was absolutely
> furious, and even told the owner that was not his
> instructions. fact of the matter is, there is not
> enough prize money in south african racing, so
> either jocks pull horses or they go overseas.
> until such stage as prize money starts to
> increase, punting cannot always be free and fair.
> case in point is cape racing, when do the "best
> bet" horses ever win? or even make the top 3 for
> that matter, but a 12/1 stable companion wins.
> another example not too long ago was mike de kock
> on air in the post race interview saying how angry
> he was because the jockeys did not do what they
> were told to do, and ran their own race, and at
> the end of the day one of his three horses in that
> race did win, however the stables money was on
> another.


what a load of hogwash...to suggest that tarrys favourites were pulled up....i did my money on the tarry horses as well....and i was with a close close member of the tarry yard....and they did their money too...the first race was fancied and it obliged....2 horses on the day(favourites)...were not fancied...and read between the lines of seans post race interview...and u would have picked up on that....cufflinks good horse but needs 2000m.....albert dock...false favourite...needs time to furnish..itsself....in a second is a brass...(i should have known when delpech got beat on it in a weaker form field previous run)...+i stand to be correctedbut i think it bled....not a horse that u can back in the future as well.....always al..was the dissappointment....but here excuses too....had an op...was out of work for 3 days...race may have come too soon....now when all on song...lets talk about last thursday...when they cleaned up...i am sure the very same critics of tarry climbed on...and it was made evidently clear by the stable that verrochio would win......talking from my pocket....i lost a fortune yesterday...had the stable power park got up....i nail the p6 20 times...had in a second run a place i get the pa 1200 times...east expo will confirm...so i am bitter about the performance....but i can assure u..no scullduggery in this instance..cos the stable did their money too

shrek Wrote:

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> How, In A Second was odds on amazes me. His
> penultimate run was against one of the worst
> fields I have ever seen. Laptev who won that race
> ran 13th out of 14 runners 11:00 behind the winner
> and Guys Image who ran third in that race ran
> stone last next time out 35 lenghts behind the
> winner. Gypsey Honour who ran 4th did do better
> than Guys Image running 7th 10.25 lenghts behind
> Grey's Anatomy. In A Second's run is consistant
> with the performances of the horses coming out of
> the Laptev formline. I am not surprised that in
> that field a first timer won.
>
> Robbie Fradd is not my favorite jockey either but
> I think from the In A Second run it is a bit of a
> stretch to call him a cheat.


Well explained shrek, however do we know it there was anything amiss with In a Second post race - agreed he came out of a very weak race - but the opposition yesterday also seemed no great shakes - so imo should at least have found a place

I think the only appropriate response, in the absence of any meaningful figures to back up these claims, is bullsh!t.