Sean Tarry Racing

With our betting we also have several horses being priced up much shorter than they should be because Striker, Marcus, Delpech or Neisius are aboard. The same with trainers the likes of de Kock and C. Laird for example. Bookies are not prepared to take any chances with these individuals and a horse that should be priced up at 15/10 is priced up at 8/10 because "Marcus rides".

A wonderful example of this came up in Greyville on Tuesday night. Race 9 number 5 Tate original jockey Cele replaced by Marcus. Horses odds without a claim cut from 40/1 to 7/1 further shortening to 5/1 before drifting to 10/1. The horses form is unchanged. Frodo gave a good comment saying with Cele on your are just giving the horse a run but with Marcus you are trying to win. The form of the horse hadn't changed and with a regular jockey like Veale, Forbes or Zechner would have probably been around 25/1.

At present in JHB, de Kock and Tarry are our "in form" yards and again the bookies look at their runners and price the up shorter.

Guys - just a thought here. Who determines the favourites in a race?

I'm not the world's biggest punter, but as far as I know it's not the trainer or the jockey. In fact I'd wager that they could actually do without the pressure of knowing that their horse is cantering down to the post at short odds.

All the trainer can do is prep each horse to the best of its ability and then try to retain the best and most suitable rider on the day.

The jockey has hopefully done a bit of homework and got to know the horse at exercise gallops, has to trust that the trainer has done enough / correct prep work, that the horse has traveled to the course OK and is feeling fit and sound (horses have inexplicable 'off' days just like people). He has to assess his horse, asses his draw, the going and the best course to steer, and then has to hope that the race unfolds in a favourable manner to give his horse the best possible chance.

Given that some horses like to run handy, some like to sit off the pace, some like an inside draw, some like an outside draw, and some are green and don't know what they like, the fact that the jump and any number of other factors can influence how the race pans out, is it any wonder that things seldom go 100% according to plan ?

If a jockey disobeys instructions and the horse runs a blinder, he's a hero (inspired ride!). If he disobeys instructions and the horse runs out the back door, he's an idiot (what was he thinking ?!). Same goes for if he does obey instructions and the horse doesn't perform (why didn't he think ?!).

Horse people (across all disciplines actually) have the peculiar and kind of endearing habit of always wanting to find fault elsewhere - it's always the jockey, the trainer, the draw, the starter, the going, the headwind, the tailwind, blah blah blah. It's never the horse.

I do see that it's disappointing when a horse does not run to expectation, but while we all crow when we beat the system with long shots and 'roughies', we're just as quick to squeal when fancied runners disappoint. It's a lose-lose situation.

We all have our own theories, so I'm not going to convince anyone, but it seems kinda far fetched that a single jockey (or trainer for that matter) could convince 15 other riders, trainers and owners to deliberately 'throw' a race. But that's just my humble opinion.

"Guys - just a thought here. Who determines the favourites in a race? " spot on
Do yourself a favour as a punter and price up(rate) the field yourself - When I was punting the betting was the last thing I looked at - I first selected my first 5 selections and then worried about market support for others in the race. I really doubt that the Tarry/Kannemeyer stables would stop hot horses as the owners they have are all big players in the game for the long haul not a quick fix.

study your form, make your selections then and only then have a look if any of your fancied runners are scratched...after that have a quick glance to see if there is any money for a runner you havent choosen.... then have a look at the betting & DONT change your selections.. GO AND BACK YOUR HORSES...they dont know what their odds are!!!

pirates

with reference to your posts 9:37am and 9:38am.you seem to apply selective reading (looking at things with blinkers on).i do not understand how much more clear myself or for that matter Crystal Jack must make it for you to understand that our opinions are based on personal experience not heresay.

You seem to like using abusive words and name calling.why do you need to resort to that to make a statement?you are not a child anymore?i would advice you to refrain from doing that because someday someone is going to hit you so hard that won't even know at which race track you are!

Remember that this is a forum where people can voice themselfs.you don't have to like or agree with it but can respect or try to understand the views of others but from the looks of it you seem to have difficulty with doing that.

Keep those abusive words and name calling coming as its like water running of a duck's back.

Guys I never suggested cheating or anything like that, I just think the jockey is stuffing up on his rides. THATS ALL

donkey whoever you might be dont come on here and start threatening me with things like you said above ..if you got a problem with me get my email address from scotia but it seems that you need to grow up...if i was any of the trainers jocks that have been insinuated in skulduggery i would be taking legal action ..i also notice that plenty people on here side with my views on these pathetic unwarranted uncalled for bullshit allegations ...

Donkey,Pirates is well known in racing circles and is very well informed,he gets pats on the back not slaps..

Threats no matter how they were meant are bang out of line

to pirates...beware...i know who u are...better be watching you back....next time i see u at club tab....better have back up.....lol

anyway...thats on a lighter side....but on a more serious note.....i think we are abusing our own rights...when we name and shame with annonymity...and its our right to views..yes sure.....but remeber...when questioned about those views...they need to be backed up....otherwise they r not views...they r just derogatory remarks...and if someone challenges you on those remarks...u need to take it on the chin...,cos its your own fault ...i dont believe anyone has the right to say just anything....we need to think..and ask ourselves about the repercussions of the words being uttered

donkey has a right to his opinion (and we have a right to ignore him) - but even if one speaks from personal experience, on an open forum one must be prepared to back up those 'experiences' with facts

DONKEY..
Your posts are as clear as daylight and I couldn't have put it better to pirates..

PIRATES..
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.donkey gave his & went as far as explaining to you what i probably meant in my initial post..

This is my last post on this topic.Pirates i wish you well chasing the horses and that big win that will never come.You seem to have an infectious personality too much for me.so i rather say good ridens

everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i dont agree with plenty but respect them but when you start having personel attacks on people such as skullduggery corruption fraud etc thats where the line is drawn and i will retaliate in the way i did..most of the banter on this site is lighthearted and in good taste but there is no place for what was said about the above jockeys and the trainers NO PLACE ...