Horse Auctions and the CPA

The trouble with showing who's bidding, imho, is that people known to be (a) good judges or (b) to be advised by trainers who are good judges, is that everyone will watch to see what they bid on and immediately jump on the bandwagon. Their chance of getting anything for a good price will be totally blown from the moment they first lift their paddle.

Mavourneen Wrote:

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> The trouble with showing who's bidding, imho, is
> that people known to be (a) good judges or (b) to
> be advised by trainers who are good judges, is
> that everyone will watch to see what they bid on
> and immediately jump on the bandwagon. Their
> chance of getting anything for a good price will
> be totally blown from the moment they first lift
> their paddle.

....Then there's the other side of the coin....identified astute buyers who bid on lots that they have no real interest in buying....just repaying a favour to the vendor who may know
what they really want....

Barry Irwin Wrote:

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> The day I have to reveal my identity when bidding
> is the day I stop attending these auctions.

Well put, sir.

Exactly, Barry.

Now, with us all paddling about and worrying about the Sales Topper (instead of the other 465 catalogued horses) and with us now bringing Ghost Busters to the Sale, those of us who are actually going there to buy horses are in for a long and drawn out Sale.

Tom, please send us revised dates for the new 10 day Sale and some accommodation Specials as well as report on the facilities and layout of TBA's new Campsite. Will there be Electrical points at each site and will Security be good ? Will there be level parking for our Caravans and what ablution facilities are in place ?

Or, if reducing the timespan of the Sale, to, say 5 or 6 days, what hours will the bidding be subject to. Or maybe a timetable of sorts.....especially for the Ghostbusters, who will be more vigilant at night, surely.

I think we need to bookmark Barry Irwin's statement. It may come back to haunt him.

Firstly - even the tea girl knows who he is so anonymity is hardly an issue in his case.

Second - If I understand the legislation correctly paddles or suchlike are now a legislative requirement so I must conclude, therefore, that we have seen the last of Barry at local sales if he is true to his word. Or is this just another case of a noisy American letting off steam.Lol.

This huffing and spluttering is not dissimilar to the noise made by traditionalists when the mandatory use of seatbelts was introduced in the motor industry!

And why all this concern about the auction perhaps taking a little longer?

a. You don't have to attend. You can use technology whilst doing something else between the lots that interest you.

b. Trainers : The horses in your care are still being paid for. Owners get no discount if you are attending a sale.

c. I notice most trainers seem to find plenty of time to play golf during business hours so why is acquiring the raw material for their livelihood now suddenly such a h-u-g-e and tiresome burden. Maybe time for a career change?

Agree Barry - no way I will reveal my identity!

A few years ago when the SAP started to do roadblocks to prevent crime callers flooded 702 complaining that they were late for appointments because of the roadblocks - Were they the same people that wanted an end to crime? It seems that a move that could give some credence to horse auctions is seen as a waste of time -
If you do not have an honest entry point to ownership , don't cry foul when people who have brains enough to have the cash to buy horses won't put a cent down when they see the potential to be ripped off at Auctions.

Garrick, why have a go at Trainers? I am referring to all bidders, surely? And I dont play Golf, anyway.

But, the truth of the matter is that those who know what they are doing will continue to do it and will adapt, paddles and all. Those who dont know what they are doing will remain just the same as before paddles and things and wont know the difference....

And the biggest mouths on the subject may well remain those who bought badly a few years ago and havent bought since... And who have no real intention of buying, again, anyway.

My apologies, Louisg. I didn't realise you were referring to all bidders. I misunderstood the scope of your insight and whom you were representing. I thought you were only expressing your personal opinion.

louisg what is the biggest you pay for the horse? with no disrespect i do not think you are the big player who plays the games so i no under stand why you so worry about the change, transperancy is good.

Louis

We will accommodate all caravans that buy or tow a horse....!

Let me know what you need and I will sort it out!

Mr Hawaii, have you been "ripped off" or caught in some way at an auction? Do you actually know anyone who has been caught? Not the urban legend stuff.

I have been to many auctions, and I have heard the stories etc. But I am battling to think of anyone I know who has ever told me that they have been caught. I know many people who have bought very many horses. I have on occasion regretted a purchase, but more often regretted the ones I missed.

One yearling failed a scope after the sale, but you are supposed to scope before you leave the sales grounds. I called the sellers, they agreed that if the vet certified the failure, they discounted 50% of the price.

Most of the 3rd hand stories of auction scandal come from the standard bunch who talk about pulling, betting coups, crooked jocks etc etc. I've never given much weight to those on the basis that if you sleep with dogs...

On this forum are people who have bought many, many horses. Hotline, for example, has been buying horses for the 25 odds years I've known him. Surely one of these people would say if they were "caught" and had no redress.

I'm not saying it's impossible or doesn't happen, I merely make the point that you can go on and on about this, when in fact the people who actually do this instead of speculate about it, wonder what you are on about. To them an auction in SA is a relatively safe place, believe it or not.