South African racing in Greece

Greetings.
First race was broadcast on Monday 26/3, from Flamingo park.
There have been some more in the phumelela-odie betting system.
We are newbies in South Africa so perhaps you can help with certain naive questions.
Such as what are the best sources of info in the web ?

Yesterday everyone was curious about the decision to scratch a horse after the race, for being a slow starter. We don't have such a rule.
Also in today's first race from Turffontein the no 5 Mesmerising Melody had a complaint against the winner no 2 (Sea Shadow), in my reckoning at least. But was it possible under S.A. rules to lodge a complaint ?

In Greece we have races from UK, France, South Africa now and of course Greek races, talking about the official odie system always. But unfortunately the Greek races during the last two years have problem and they have been curtailed in number/size.

Welcome Kajamix, allow me to have my few drachmas

Your Q. Yesterday everyone was curious about the decision to scratch a horse after the race, for being a slow starter. We don't have such a rule.
Never saw the race but If there was a problem with the gate of that horse then the horse may not be declared under "starter's orders" and in which case it will be scratched. The horse has be be under starter's orders.

Your Q. Also in today's first race from Turffontein the no 5 Mesmerising Melody had a complaint against the winner no 2 (Sea Shadow), in my reckoning at least. But was it possible under S.A. rules to lodge a complaint ?
Mesmerising Melody could have lodged a complaint but it would most probably have been deemed as frivolous. In SA, for a successful objection, the impeding horse must have shown that it would have won the race but for the interference. In this case, Sea Shadow won going away only after appearing to hang onto MM who had to switch to the inside of SS but by then MM was out the back door.

welcome Kaja,Sportingpost and formgrids are brilliant free sites for form and cards,banners to the right of the forum...

Thank you.
I will study the websites and I hope they start making sense to me.
Today I was browsing oddschecker.com basically plus listening to the Greek commentators.

Re. Mesmerising you may think it was going to be a frivolous complaint or even a delusion of the eye. Nevertheless it was talked about a little and my query is not about the incident as such but as to the rule that applies. In Greece it has to be the 2nd against the 1st, the 3d against the 2nd and so on. The 3d placed horse is not allowed to lodge a complaint against the 1st whatever the issue. Is that different with you ?

Can a 3rd place (or 4th or 5th or....) horse object against a winner in SA? I think so but someone more knowledgeable will need to answer this.

The July when Space Walk won was a beauty.

Mr Feta, i have been to Andros and really enjoyed it.Hope you enjoy the forum and good luck.(tu)

Mac Wrote:

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> Can a 3rd place (or 4th or 5th or....) horse
> object against a winner in SA? I think so but
> someone more knowledgeable will need to answer
> this.

Yes. It happened just a couple of weeks ago at Turffies when Fiery got the win via the back door (3rd against 1st objection, Fiery finished 2nd without being anywhere near the interference).

NHRA WEBSITE

A hot derby day.
Nothing worked betting advise-wise, except arguably for one of the early ones from Kenilworth.

I have located the following sites:

sportingpost
tabonline with two advice pdfs
betright
goldcircle
winningform

and I 'm using the method of "press synthesis" to get to some conclusion.
That is, treating the journalists like opinion poll responders and using certain addition laws to put them together.

Are there any more websites ?
Free ones, because I 'm a relative beginner.

Question 1: In the sportingpost pdf they give us the wire to wire time for each horse/performence. But the track variant is missing. Why ? I 'd like this to be more elaborate and convert the time figures to the current distance/track/weight carried, but they do not even give the race's track variant. Is it because you have to buy the pro pdfs to see more ?

Question 2: Do you have any live on track reportings, like those we see in the English Racing Post ?

Question 3: Do we have a site with price fluctuations ? I use oddschecker.com but I think their South African markets are weak ones.

Tomorrow Monday 30/4 we have four races from Fairview.
In the first one my method says 6-9-7-10, in the third. 7-5-2-6, in the fifth 2-1-5-6 and in the seventh 1-3-4-2
From those only the last no 1 (Hidden Rave) appears to be a "global favourite".

The real handicapper uses probability laws, derived from speed figures.
That's the a-b-c of racing.
Only then are you a real horse handicapper.
Subsequently you have to look into other factors, like other people's opinion, aluminum hooves a.s.o. but your start point is speed analysis, so you enter the classroom with some preparation.

Ella kajamix , one question . It seems you are keen on Sa Racing . WHY ?

As far as i know only Computaform has a track variant and they also have a column where they calculate time per meter . you can access Computaform online but you gotta pay .

Winningform converts the times to the distance carded , but i'm not sure if they use variants and course adaptations . (you can access winning form by opening a hollywoodbets account )

Live on track reportings ? only teletrack teletrack.ndstream.net/computer/altplayer/index.html i dont know if this will help cause it delayed by a minute or so .

Happy to help where i can and i'm sure the guys here can add a lot more and help with other issues !

Hello Solotrama

Winningform is free is n't it ?
I don't even see a free login required.
It says for one of today's races "Superfederation, predicted time 112.1, Spellcaster, predicted time 112.6" and so on. Those are for 1800 meters. Looks useful & of course to make any sense it should incorporate the various adjustments (without such the prediction can easily be way-way out).

I am interested in all races in the Greek ODIE system. That is Greek, South African. French and United Kingdom. The reason is that with the existing payout structures, Greek ODIE exotics pay better than elsewhere. Their win prices are usually not as good as yours or those found in the various bookmaker companies but their exotics are better. I do of course express the hope that things get better everywhere in that sphere of things, because if we are to wager our money, we should at least have a glimmer of hope of winning something.

Computaform and the other one, the "racing spy" I think it is called, look good but you gotta pay.
I keep them under consideration.

What about price fluctuations ?
We do have a tv graphic with such, also oddschecker but I think racingpost presentation is the best (for UK of course).