July Weights

@Shrek the last time Marcus on 52kg was with Dunford so hpoing 53kg is no problem , have got a "telephone quad" win/place ending wid Bela beofre she won teh OAKS..X(

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> > considering jackson should be carrying 59 i
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> > see how you can say it cant win at these
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> After the race, you will have your answer.

the race result is irrelevant..at the weights he should win..whether he does or doesnt

I know the July field appears to be thin...but are the handicappers telling us that Jackson is one of the best 3 year olds ever???

We all know there's still a race to be run and anything can happen depending on the draw, pace, luck in running, jockey and well being of the horses!

I'm sure we have all seen enough racing certainties get rolled over the years to know that Jackson can obviously get beat. However if the ratings are to be believed Jackson is the best handicapped horse as well as being, in my opinion, the best horse in the race by a street.

Ilha Bela may indeed be underated off 104 but she still has to prove this on the track. So backers of her are taking a leap of faith, the question I ask is this leap justified in her price. I say no but for all those who are on her at 16-1 or better good luck to you all.

I'm the type of punter who often goes against the favourite but it's hard to be bullish about anything else except Jackson, who looks like a champion. For those who are looking for outsiders maybe English Garden, Chesalon and Tribal Dance (if he makes the final field) can run well.

Seems that the July is getting hyped up and we still got more than 3 weeks to go!

well summarized sacksy...@ fc...he certainly does seem to be the best 3yo coming into the july since dynasty..nothing has been as convincing since..and he has that top horse auro..hope him and variety club go overseas next year

Have any female 3yr Fillies won GR I races in open company this season(over ground?) I really think the colts are a Div better than thses fillies

shrek Wrote:

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> Bayern as you say these debates are good.
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> Let's dissect Ilha Bela's Oaks run her time would
> have had her running 6,42 lengths behind Pomodora
> and Royal Bencher and would have finished 7th in
> the Colts race. Obviously both races were run
> differently so hard to compare. Now let's take
> Tresco and Avenue of Gold who both ran in the Oaks
> and Woolavington against Ilha Bela. She beat
> Tresco by 8,25 in the Oaks and 8,05 in the
> Woolavington and beat Avenue of Gold by 9 lengths
> more in the Woolavington which suggests here
> Woolavington run is her true form.
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> Every fillies race other than the first leg of the
> triple crown has been much slower than the colts
> in the 1800 Classic race Ilha Bela ran 10,52
> lengths behind Pomodoro. As you said Pomodoro
> wasn't looking to run within 4 lengths of Jackson
> to avoid a penalty and that was mission
> accomplished but still ran a better time than Ilha
> Bela. If you are looking for something to beat
> Jackson I would rather take 9/2 a place on
> Pomodoro than 9/2 a win on Ilha Bela.

Shrek, the above makes sense. It would be good to hear other clanners discuss why they feel their fancy will win the July, or is it truely over bar the shouting for those in the Jackson camp?

Johny Walker will win july!!!!
Will have greater turnovers than any bookie,punter,owner,trainer,etc on July Day <

Bayern this is racing nothing is ever a certainty but I feel Jackson has the race to lose. I agree with Mr Hawaii in that I also feel the 3 year old fillies are very weak this year as their times in every race indicates. I believe the main dangers to Jackson will be Pierre Jordaan, English Garden, Pomodoro and Vettel (If choosing the July over the Derby).

Nice prep from Gallileos destiny,i`m sure connections gambled him of the boards for last years race,doubt he will get in though,pity think he could have been a runner...

FC Wrote:

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> I know the July field appears to be thin...but are
> the handicappers telling us that Jackson is one of
> the best 3 year olds ever???

Not yet but keep watching this space. Me seems to think so

shrek Wrote:

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> Bayern this is racing nothing is ever a certainty
> but I feel Jackson has the race to lose. I agree
> with Mr Hawaii in that I also feel the 3 year old
> fillies are very weak this year as their times in
> every race indicates. I believe the main dangers
> to Jackson will be Pierre Jordaan, English Garden,
> Pomodoro and Vettel (If choosing the July over the
> Derby).

Shrek, point taken and i appreciate and respect your view. Really look forward to reading other peoples views, after all, racing is about opinions.