@rob faux:
'I'll stay out of this..........otherwise I WILL be banned from the site'
Me too..... let the Ugandans do the talk!
'Ugandans discuss Mandela' is the topic......
Kipenji,
You asked why he is at "peace" with Gracia? Hmm! I watched a film yesterday where a man was acting exactly the Mandela way. The man was using the language most women would want to hear (I guess)... He used about 700 women in his life - both the married and the singles who were between 16 and 22 years, and kept numbering them as he went along, Nr1...2....3....4........680....
Finally when he realised his "younger brother" was no longer capable of terrorizing ..... he made an about-turn to one of the first ones - (lying between Nr1 and Nr5) simply because she was the only one who was not married by then since her husband had just died.
He eventually spend most of his life with this widow in a boat by asking the boat captain to put up a flag on the boat which would warn that there was a plague in the boat and therefore the boat kept on floating in the water - on and on....
The man had no child, but the woman had, and some of her kids kicked him out of the house......
Gracia was a widow, Mandela at the age of almost 80 yrs comes out and guess what? - those who look for gold know how real gold looks like.... Mandela knew Gracia had no small kids, a responsibility Mandela feared throughout his life........!
Nyar
......
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:07:52 +0100
From: kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Nyar:
First things first.Nelson Mandela was the Publicity Secretary of the ANC.The two leading luminaries were
Walter Sisulu and Giovanni Mbeki (Thabo Mbeki's father).
When Mandela was arrested as being the brain behind the ANC since he is a trained lawyer,these two fellows
too got tortured and with failing health they mellowed down.
Mandela was always being asked to renounce ANC so that he gets his freedom from Robben Island an offer he
turned down because his personal freedom meant nothing to him as long as his people were not free.
Since you are a Christian as I know,remember the quote:"Greater love hath no man than this;that one laid
down his life for the Good of his friends" (John 15:13).
So according to you,which was the ultimate sacrifice? Being thrown in jail for a few years and then released or being
incarcerated for Mandela's length of time? Is there any person you know of who has been behind bars for 27 years
simply because (s)he refused to mortgage the rights and freedoms of her/his people for her/his personal freedom?
Even Aung Suu Kyi does not fit in this bill.So where is the grudge about Mandela's hero status?
The fall out with the myriad of the women you cite could have been because there was never that chemistry that glues
most couples otherwise why does he appear at peace with Gracia?
Kipenji
From: Frank Mujabi
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 20:32
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Nyar
I think Zuma is Zulu while Mandela is Khosha (sp?)
But I agree with you that Mandela seems to be very selfish .
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:41 AM, eun Nyaronyango wrote:
Daktari,
Ah, now some of think Nyar's argument has something to do with feminism or whatever? Hello NO!! But yet again, the way he has used those women and dumped all of them and the kids with ease makes me wonder why any man in his sane mind would be supporting such acts (2012). This is a very selfish man.
What would you people want to tell us is good about Mandela fronting his tribesman Zuma the traditional Afrikan to be the president of the only developed country in Afrika - southern sahara and begin to behave like he is a tribal/cultural leader and not a president. Anything funny here?
You are all failing and/or dodging to answer why Mandela was the only one who was never tortured - moreover for all those 27 years....... Even Winnie was arrested and tortured, Steve Mbiko who was the leader of ANC, how did he end up and how did Mandela end up becoming the leader of ANC? Doesn't it tell you that Mandela was already identified as the "friendly" man that could be used to outdo the Stve Mbikos? Learn these people's game man!
Has Mandela himself ever talked of being tortured even once - or has he ever showed any scar or signs of torture
Nyar
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:25:54 +0100
From: kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Folks:
My sister NyarOnyango is bitter because she regards Mandela as a woman user.Ofcourse whenever men and women
get married and separate for whatever reasons,the women feel more offended because their opportunities will have been
curtailed by their previous marriages.
If I remember Winnie could have been a Nurse at the time she met the young and very handsome Nelson Mandela but
we should not forget that the reasons for Mandela leaving Winnie had everything to with Winnie herself compare the case
of Engineer Kazibwe and Dr Specioza Naigaga Kazibwe.
On Mandela's hero status,after 27 years of self reflection while cut off from the rest of world because of his convinction about the ills of the apartheid regime,definitely he represented the will of what human spirits are endowed with and he welcome those who denied him his most productive years in life.
This selfless commitment to the common good of humanity does make him a hero.Ofcourse Winnie used his name to make the world aware of what was happening in South Africa.The only shortfall for her is that she did not know when to stop.
Those who think Mandela is a sell out have failed to capture what is needed for them to get what they consider true
independence i.e they need to have the requisite skills needed to manage what they accuse the white folks of denying them.Being violent without the proper training to take over all whatever they yearn for will only help sink South Africa into another failed state like most independent African countries are.
Kipenji
From: edward pojim
To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com"
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 13:24
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
WBK:
As a nation, Uganda has never had a rallying figure that comes within 100 miles of Mandela. No Ugandan leader has undergone the furnance test as Mandela and company. We've had it easy all through Independence. And since 1962, we've been cursed with a bunch of mediocre, selfish opportunists who pale in comparison with Mandela.
It's therefore safe to argue that some Ugandans don't see how instrumental and transformational Mandela has been on the world scene, let alone South Africa.
Pojim
From: WB Kyijomanyi
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Ms Nyar:
I did not say that South Africa has healed. But it is still hanging in there thanks to Mr Mandela's infulence. I fear what wil happen if he is gone.
I have no clue how he met Winnie. So what was Winnie at the time? Tell us please.
Listen do not be bitter that Mr Mandela divorced Winnie. That is life. Look at the bigger picture.
Now tell us your hero in Africa or the world so we can compare them to Mr Mandela. Do you have any hero?
WBK
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:14:25 -0700
From: epojim@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Nyar;
Mandela is a Hero not because he led a saintly life, or even a model husband life, but because he risked his life to dramatize the evil of apartheid. He epitomized everything that was wrong with the white minority rule, and paid dearly for his gallantry.
In the eyes of millions around the globe, he stood for what was possible in South Africa and what SA should be: a united nation under free rule. He did not disappoint, for he ushered in an era of reconcilliation that has surprised even his most hardened critics.
Just for avoiding a retributory outrage against his jailers, Mandela has come close to being the most perfect political beacon that the world has ever seen.
Pojim
From: eun Nyaronyango
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
WBK,
It is ONLY in your imagination that South Afrika has healed.
Two, do you how Mandela met Winnie, and what Winnie was at that time?
Three, do you know that by the time he met Winnie, he had already treated two other women exactly the same way he treated Winnie? Winnie's case is a third official divorce by Mandela - all dumped and or abaondoned with kids.......!
Nyar
......
From: kyijomanyi@hotmail.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:55:20 +0000
Ms Nyar:
Well, Mr Mandela is our hero. He is mine for sure. Yes Winie Mandela did a lot more, and has the pulse of the masses, but she made some mistakes like all humans do. She was lucluy to have married Mr madela, was she not? Where do you think she got her credibility from? Is it not from the Mandela name?
Let me say this , it was ONLY Mr Mandela who made it possible to have black majority rule in Suth Africa. Call him whatever you want but, he had the termperament and judgment to help South Africa heal. Of course it has not healed but he ushered in majority rule. That alone makes him a great hero.
The problem with you is that you do not value compromise-hmm see UPC chaos-. Yet compromise is key. The spirit of give and take is what has failed most post colonial African states. I am sure you have your hero or heros, so name them.
Under the circumstances, Mr Mandela did great. They got rid of Mr Mbeki and got Mr Jacob Zuma. Now some are trying to get rid of him. Nope. The Zulu mobs will butcher them in hundreds if not thousands.
So tell us about your hero or heros and we compare them with Mr Mandela.
WBK
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
From: musanap@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:36:18 +0000
Mr Potosi:
Okay: allegedly!
Jerry Richardson was the head of her bodyguard notoriously known as "Mandela Football Club."
Ocen
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From: Mitayo Potosi
Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:30:05 +0000
To:
ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Ocen you say "I hate to say this but Winnie is believed to be the one who slit the kid Stompie's throat."
believed by who?
Stompie was killed by Jerry Richardson, an undercover black apartheid policeman.
All the other ANCs in exile had sold out. Winnie was the vanguard of the internal struggle.
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
From: musanap@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:19:00 +0000
I hate to say this but Winnie is believed to be the one who slit the kid Stompie's throat.
Her bodyguard took the fall on her behalf.
Yes she (Winnie) has street cred and hence her power!
Ocen
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From: jim muwanga
Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:37:59 +0200
To:
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Winnie made a couple of mistakes.
She continued her affair with some young guy/Gigolo I think if i remember well. .ie. after after Mandela came out of Jail. This did not go down well with Mandela and other elders in the ANC.
Also out of ignorance I think she was involved in a credit card scandal.
Then some friends told me that she was back biting Mbeki. Thats why at one time he pushed her away when she tried to hug him. Every body saw this on TV and in the stadium however some of my friends say she was telling the truth. i.e. Mbu Mbeki and his cronies like young chicks.
Elders within the ANC were not pleased with her apparently.
But she still has so much power i.e within the Masses. When she talks they listen. I think Its just that Its a Man's world in SA that the elders always manage to tell to "Keep quiet and be a Woman"
Anway and when she talks she calls a spade a spade.
Going back to Mandela . Then Graca Machel cruises in with all Kiganda manners (kneels down) does the Mozambican woman thing or "bedminton" (Mozambican women are terrorists in bed and know how to cook). Mandela was conquered and Graca became the first woman to be First lady to two countries in the whole world. Since Cleopatra or?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Joseph Kamugisha wrote:
Mandela and Winny, fell out of each others lives mainly because of infidelity on the wife's part besides her politicsl party wrangles and the crimes she committed.
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:59:32 +0100
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
From: frank.mujabi21@gmail.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Mr Nekyon
I think I read somewhere that there are 3 million whites ( Boers and others) in S.Africa, compared to over 40 million blacks
That would make it about 7.5%. But I will also check my facts.
Does anyone know WHY ANC/Mandela had to get rid of Winnie?
Was Winnie refusing to sell out ?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Moses Ocen Nekyon wrote:
Mr Muwanga:
Thanks but I thought Boer's/Whites make up 12% of the total population?
I will look out for that book.
The sad thing was that during the negotiations Mandela and crew were advised that they were giving away too much.
They had to dislodge the Boer vested interests then other wise they would be more entrenched.
It was the Joe Slovo's and the Kathrada's of the world who could see the folly in the details.
Unfortunately the "Kumbaya" chorus was dominant.
By the way Joseph Malema, is not as stupid as most people make him out to be!
Ocen
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From: jim muwanga
Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:02:46 +0200
To:
ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Moses I think you wanted to say 2% instead of 12%.
People should read the book "Battle for the soul of the ANC"
Some one told me that maybe some of the Ugandan Ministers of Energy & Minerals are taken to the same place where Mandela was taken i.e some place in Kimberely. What would Tamale Mirundi say to this?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Moses Ocen Nekyon wrote:
Mr Mujabi:
A few years ago I would have vehemently disagreed with you in regards to this topic.
On studying the details of what was negotiated, I agree with the topic at hand.
Why the change of heart on my part?
At the end o f last year I watched a documentary called "The promise" or something. It was detailing the problems around land ownership in South Africa.
To make a very long story short, 95 % of the land is owned by 12% of the population.
Guess who they are?
Ocen
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From: Frank Mujabi
Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:37:31 +0100
To:
ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Mr Potosi
At last someone is saying the truth about 'Saint' Mandela.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Mitayo Potosi wrote:
Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
12-Jun-2012 | Sipho Masombuka | 308 comments
THE Azanian People's Organisation's youth league has called on former president Nelson Mandela to apologise to the nation "before he dies" for selling out black people's struggle.
REVERED: Former president Nelson Mandela. Photo: LULAMILE FENI
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The league's president, Amukelani Ngobeni, said in a statement that Mandela would not have peace should he die without apologising for "selling out black people's struggle through the secret talks with the apartheid government".
Ngobeni said Mandela entered into secret talks and agreed on a compromised constitution which today makes it very difficult, or almost impossible, for government to deliver in its duties to service the citizens.
He said they were following with interest developments around Mandela's health, saying: "Many of his friends did not get an opportunity to apologise before they died, and he must consider himself lucky and use the opportunity for his soul to rest peacefully before it is too late".
He added: "Mandela and his friends were excited and could not wait to occupy the global political space at the expense of the struggle for complete political, social and economic emancipation."
Nelson Mandela Foundation spokesman Sello Hatang said Mandela had always maintained "that he was always acting as part of the collective".
He added it would be best for the ANC to comment on Ngobeni's statement.
However, ANC spokesman Keith Khoza said his organisation would not dignify the statement with a comment.
"We all need to be above average" - ??????????????? Thomas Friedman, NY Times !!!!!!
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Nyar:
I think you are putting a twist on Mr Mandela's marital affairs.Are you sure Mr Mandela never wanted any family
responsibilities at all? Is there any document referenced on your assertions that I can look at before accepting your
conclusions on Mr Mandela as afar as marriage and responsibilities go?
I would very much like to read about his failure to provide for his kids from the myriad of women you allege he used.
Lastly there are always many angles to why some marriages do not work out and others even in palpable poverty thrives.
Kipenji
From: eun Nyaronyango
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012, 19:35
Subject: KIPENJI__RE: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Kipenji,
You asked why he is at "peace" with Gracia? Hmm! I watched a film yesterday where a man was acting exactly the Mandela way. The man was using the language most women would want to hear (I guess)... He used about 700 women in his life - both the married and the singles who were between 16 and 22 years, and kept numbering them as he went along, Nr1...2....3....4........680....
Finally when he realised his "younger brother" was no longer capable of terrorizing ..... he made an about-turn to one of the first ones - (lying between Nr1 and Nr5) simply because she was the only one who was not married by then since her husband had just died.
He eventually spend most of his life with this widow in a boat by asking the boat captain to put up a flag on the boat which would warn that there was a plague in the boat and therefore the boat kept on floating in the water - on and on....
The man had no child, but the woman had, and some of her kids kicked him out of the house......
Gracia was a widow, Mandela at the age of almost 80 yrs comes out and guess what? - those who look for gold know how real gold looks like.... Mandela knew Gracia had no small kids, a responsibility Mandela feared throughout his life........!
Nyar
......
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 03:07:52 +0100
From: kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Nyar:First things first.Nelson Mandela was the Publicity Secretary of the ANC.The two leading luminaries wereWalter Sisulu and Giovanni Mbeki (Thabo Mbeki's father).When Mandela was arrested as being the brain behind the ANC since he is a trained lawyer,these two fellowstoo got tortured and with failing health they mellowed down.Mandela was always being asked to renounce ANC so that he gets his freedom from Robben Island an offer heturned down because his personal freedom meant nothing to him as long as his people were not free.Since you are a Christian as I know,remember the quote:"Greater love hath no man than this;that one laiddown his life for the Good of his friends" (John 15:13).So according to you,which was the ultimate sacrifice? Being thrown in jail for a few years and then released or beingincarcerated for Mandela's length of time? Is there any person you know of who has been behind bars for 27 years simply because (s)he refused to mortgage the rights and freedoms of her/his people for her/his personal freedom?Even Aung Suu Kyi does not fit in this bill.So where is the grudge about Mandela's hero status?The fall out with the myriad of the women you cite could have been because there was never that chemistry that gluesmost couples otherwise why does he appear at peace with Gracia?Kipenji
From: Frank Mujabi
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 20:32
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Nyar
I think Zuma is Zulu while Mandela is Khosha (sp?)
But I agree with you that Mandela seems to be very selfish .
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 12:41 AM, eun Nyaronyango wrote:
Daktari,
Ah, now some of think Nyar's argument has something to do with feminism or whatever? Hello NO!! But yet again, the way he has used those women and dumped all of them and the kids with ease makes me wonder why any man in his sane mind would be supporting such acts (2012). This is a very selfish man.
What would you people want to tell us is good about Mandela fronting his tribesman Zuma the traditional Afrikan to be the president of the only developed country in Afrika - southern sahara and begin to behave like he is a tribal/cultural leader and not a president. Anything funny here?
You are all failing and/or dodging to answer why Mandela was the only one who was never tortured - moreover for all those 27 years....... Even Winnie was arrested and tortured, Steve Mbiko who was the leader of ANC, how did he end up and how did Mandela end up becoming the leader of ANC? Doesn't it tell you that Mandela was already identified as the "friendly" man that could be used to outdo the Stve Mbikos? Learn these people's game man!
Has Mandela himself ever talked of being tortured even once - or has he ever showed any scar or signs of torture
Nyar
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:25:54 +0100
From: kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Folks:My sister NyarOnyango is bitter because she regards Mandela as a woman user.Ofcourse whenever men and women get married and separate for whatever reasons,the women feel more offended because their opportunities will have beencurtailed by their previous marriages.If I remember Winnie could have been a Nurse at the time she met the young and very handsome Nelson Mandela butwe should not forget that the reasons for Mandela leaving Winnie had everything to with Winnie herself compare the caseof Engineer Kazibwe and Dr Specioza Naigaga Kazibwe.On Mandela's hero status,after 27 years of self reflection while cut off from the rest of world because of his convinction about the ills of the apartheid regime,definitely he represented the will of what human spirits are endowed with and he welcome those who denied him his most productive years in life.This selfless commitment to the common good of humanity does make him a hero.Ofcourse Winnie used his name to make the world aware of what was happening in South Africa.The only shortfall for her is that she did not know when to stop.Those who think Mandela is a sell out have failed to capture what is needed for them to get what they consider true independence i.e they need to have the requisite skills needed to manage what they accuse the white folks of denying them.Being violent without the proper training to take over all whatever they yearn for will only help sink South Africa into another failed state like most independent African countries are.Kipenji
From: edward pojim
To: "ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com"
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012, 13:24
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
WBK: As a nation, Uganda has never had a rallying figure that comes within 100 miles of Mandela. No Ugandan leader has undergone the furnance test as Mandela and company. We've had it easy all through Independence. And since 1962, we've been cursed with a bunch of mediocre, selfish opportunists who pale in comparison with Mandela. It's therefore safe to argue that some Ugandans don't see how instrumental and transformational Mandela has been on the world scene, let alone South Africa. Pojim
From: WB Kyijomanyi
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Ms Nyar:
I did not say that South Africa has healed. But it is still hanging in there thanks to Mr Mandela's infulence. I fear what wil happen if he is gone.
I have no clue how he met Winnie. So what was Winnie at the time? Tell us please.
Listen do not be bitter that Mr Mandela divorced Winnie. That is life. Look at the bigger picture.
Now tell us your hero in Africa or the world so we can compare them to Mr Mandela. Do you have any hero?
WBK
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:14:25 -0700
From: epojim@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Nyar; Mandela is a Hero not because he led a saintly life, or even a model husband life, but because he risked his life to dramatize the evil of apartheid. He epitomized everything that was wrong with the white minority rule, and paid dearly for his gallantry. In the eyes of millions around the globe, he stood for what was possible in South Africa and what SA should be: a united nation under free rule. He did not disappoint, for he ushered in an era of reconcilliation that has surprised even his most hardened critics. Just for avoiding a retributory outrage against his jailers, Mandela has come close to being the most perfect political beacon that the world has ever seen. Pojim
From: eun Nyaronyango
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: RE: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
WBK,
It is ONLY in your imagination that South Afrika has healed.
Two, do you how Mandela met Winnie, and what Winnie was at that time?
Three, do you know that by the time he met Winnie, he had already treated two other women exactly the same way he treated Winnie? Winnie's case is a third official divorce by Mandela - all dumped and or abaondoned with kids.......!
Nyar
......
From: kyijomanyi@hotmail.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Subject: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:55:20 +0000
Ms Nyar:
Well, Mr Mandela is our hero. He is mine for sure. Yes Winie Mandela did a lot more, and has the pulse of the masses, but she made some mistakes like all humans do. She was lucluy to have married Mr madela, was she not? Where do you think she got her credibility from? Is it not from the Mandela name?
Let me say this , it was ONLY Mr Mandela who made it possible to have black majority rule in Suth Africa. Call him whatever you want but, he had the termperament and judgment to help South Africa heal. Of course it has not healed but he ushered in majority rule. That alone makes him a great hero.
The problem with you is that you do not value compromise-hmm see UPC chaos-. Yet compromise is key. The spirit of give and take is what has failed most post colonial African states. I am sure you have your hero or heros, so name them.
Under the circumstances, Mr Mandela did great. They got rid of Mr Mbeki and got Mr Jacob Zuma. Now some are trying to get rid of him. Nope. The Zulu mobs will butcher them in hundreds if not thousands.
So tell us about your hero or heros and we compare them with Mr Mandela.
WBK
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
From: musanap@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:36:18 +0000
Mr Potosi:
Okay: allegedly!
Jerry Richardson was the head of her bodyguard notoriously known as "Mandela Football Club."
OcenSent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: Mitayo Potosi Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:30:05 +0000To: ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Ocen you say "I hate to say this but Winnie is believed to be the one who slit the kid Stompie's throat."
believed by who?
Stompie was killed by Jerry Richardson, an undercover black apartheid policeman.
All the other ANCs in exile had sold out. Winnie was the vanguard of the internal struggle.
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
From: musanap@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:19:00 +0000
I hate to say this but Winnie is believed to be the one who slit the kid Stompie's throat.
Her bodyguard took the fall on her behalf.
Yes she (Winnie) has street cred and hence her power!
Ocen Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: jim muwanga Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:37:59 +0200To: ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Winnie made a couple of mistakes. She continued her affair with some young guy/Gigolo I think if i remember well. .ie. after after Mandela came out of Jail. This did not go down well with Mandela and other elders in the ANC. Also out of ignorance I think she was involved in a credit card scandal. Then some friends told me that she was back biting Mbeki. Thats why at one time he pushed her away when she tried to hug him. Every body saw this on TV and in the stadium however some of my friends say she was telling the truth. i.e. Mbu Mbeki and his cronies like young chicks. Elders within the ANC were not pleased with her apparently. But she still has so much power i.e within the Masses. When she talks they listen. I think Its just that Its a Man's world in SA that the elders always manage to tell to "Keep quiet and be a Woman" Anway and when she talks she calls a spade a spade. Going back to Mandela . Then Graca Machel cruises in with all Kiganda manners (kneels down) does the Mozambican woman thing or "bedminton" (Mozambican women are terrorists in bed and know how to cook). Mandela was conquered and Graca became the first woman to be First lady to two countries in the whole world. Since Cleopatra or? On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Joseph Kamugisha wrote:
Mandela and Winny, fell out of each others lives mainly because of infidelity on the wife's part besides her politicsl party wrangles and the crimes she committed.
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:59:32 +0100
Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
From: frank.mujabi21@gmail.com
To: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com
Mr Nekyon
I think I read somewhere that there are 3 million whites ( Boers and others) in S.Africa, compared to over 40 million blacks
That would make it about 7.5%. But I will also check my facts.
Does anyone know WHY ANC/Mandela had to get rid of Winnie?
Was Winnie refusing to sell out ?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Moses Ocen Nekyon wrote:
Mr Muwanga:
Thanks but I thought Boer's/Whites make up 12% of the total population?
I will look out for that book.
The sad thing was that during the negotiations Mandela and crew were advised that they were giving away too much.
They had to dislodge the Boer vested interests then other wise they would be more entrenched.
It was the Joe Slovo's and the Kathrada's of the world who could see the folly in the details.
Unfortunately the "Kumbaya" chorus was dominant.
By the way Joseph Malema, is not as stupid as most people make him out to be!
Ocen Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: jim muwanga Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 14:02:46 +0200To: ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Moses I think you wanted to say 2% instead of 12%. People should read the book "Battle for the soul of the ANC" Some one told me that maybe some of the Ugandan Ministers of Energy & Minerals are taken to the same place where Mandela was taken i.e some place in Kimberely. What would Tamale Mirundi say to this?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Moses Ocen Nekyon wrote:
Mr Mujabi:
A few years ago I would have vehemently disagreed with you in regards to this topic.
On studying the details of what was negotiated, I agree with the topic at hand.
Why the change of heart on my part?
At the end o f last year I watched a documentary called "The promise" or something. It was detailing the problems around land ownership in South Africa.
To make a very long story short, 95 % of the land is owned by 12% of the population.
Guess who they are?
Ocen Sent via BlackBerry from T-MobileFrom: Frank Mujabi Sender: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 12:37:31 +0100To: ReplyTo: ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {UAH} Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
Mr Potosi
At last someone is saying the truth about 'Saint' Mandela.
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Mitayo Potosi wrote:
Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'12-Jun-2012 | Sipho Masombuka | 308 commentsTHE Azanian People's Organisation's youth league has called on former president Nelson Mandela to apologise to the nation "before he dies" for selling out black people's struggle.
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The league's president, Amukelani Ngobeni, said in a statement that Mandela would not have peace should he die without apologising for "selling out black people's struggle through the secret talks with the apartheid government".
Ngobeni said Mandela entered into secret talks and agreed on a compromised constitution which today makes it very difficult, or almost impossible, for government to deliver in its duties to service the citizens.
He said they were following with interest developments around Mandela's health, saying: "Many of his friends did not get an opportunity to apologise before they died, and he must consider himself lucky and use the opportunity for his soul to rest peacefully before it is too late".
He added: "Mandela and his friends were excited and could not wait to occupy the global political space at the expense of the struggle for complete political, social and economic emancipation."
Nelson Mandela Foundation spokesman Sello Hatang said Mandela had always maintained "that he was always acting as part of the collective".
He added it would be best for the ANC to comment on Ngobeni's statement.
However, ANC spokesman Keith Khoza said his organisation would not dignify the statement with a comment.
"We all need to be above average" - ??????????????? Thomas Friedman, NY Times !!!!!!
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Kipenji,
I had hoped you would provide us with an evidence to disapprove what I said - but waapi!
Scientific researchers do disapprove what they assume to be/or not to be, and it is only IF they cannot disapprove it that their findings can be considered as being scientific. I may have got mixed up here, so I beg to be corrected...
Nyar
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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 02:43:12 +0100
From: kipenji5844@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: KIPENJI__RE: {UAH} Ms Nyar: Azapo calls on 'sell-out' Mandela to apologise 'before he dies'
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have been convinced for a while now that if our nation was better educated the ANC would have ceased to exist a long time ago simply by virtue of them being voted out of power. Unfortunately, the masses are so poorly educated that they have yet to understand the concept of democracy and when the time comes to voting they just go along like lemmings and vote for the same people.
