Squeeky clean this game...:S

captaingrumpy Wrote:

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> Titch, who you refering to? nobody mentioned
> shams! once off results happen, long odds outsider
> but when its happening every week questions need
> to be asked

I beg to differ..there were numerous posts on the Kimberly thread suggesting that the Shams "middled" us :S .

gregbucks Wrote:

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> When last was a horse in SA suspended for
> inconsistent running??

When last was a horse anywhere in the world suspended for
> inconsistent running and how does one define inconsistant??

lol... Titch i'm asking the questions...()

You should also mention Titch that a lot of their horses are relatively new to their stable.

Captain G, I sympathise with your sentiments and to an extent concur. However, Mr H gave you the opportunity there to identify rides that you think are suspect and you waved it off implying it is the authorities who should do that and not you. But, if the authorities aren't doing it, and I don't think there are many who would say they are doing so, at least completely competently, then sometimes you of course have to do these things yourself and highlight them otherwise the moans and groans will simply fall on deaf ears... and worse, sadly, just become an annoyance. Clanners generally want people to provide evidence, if you can't then, whether we are blind or not, it will achieve nothing. But, if you do it, be careful, it will be lawsuit time if you say it wrong!

I would also suggest, if you haven't already, look at all the runners recently from certain stables and see how few of their big outsiders come in. Someone (a very wise man... or lady ) advised me to do similar when i was having a moan. I confess I was surprised with the stats as I had the impression it was many more.

I was refering to this thread, nobody mentioned anybody besides the UK jockey which was a shocker of a ride. I certainly have not accused anyone, all that was being discussed was the fact that when betting and sport of anykind meet there are bound to be some results!!!!!

captaingrumpy Wrote:

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> I was refering to this thread, nobody mentioned
> anybody besides the UK jockey which was a shocker
> of a ride. I certainly have not accused anyone,
> all that was being discussed was the fact that
> when betting and sport of anykind meet there are
> bound to be some results!!!!!


I agree with you 100% results are inevitable and Im not insinuating that you in fact suggested that the Kim results were "by design" I was just amazed that they were indeed made on the Flamingo Park thread...

"Now go check replays of PE and Bingo park racing and see why there hasnt been an investigation into those results yet" sounds a little accusatory to me Captain G... I was merely going on that, Mr H and Titch's comments and your recent general comments on the daily racing threads for PE and Kimb. Only trying to help

Englander Bingo Results Monday

Race 2
Win 14 = R 11.40
Place 14 = R 3.10

Race 3
Win 8 = R 13.00
Place 8 = R 3.90

Race 4
Win 11 = R 20.30
Place 11 = R 6.10

Race 5
Win 14 = R 42.30
Place 14 = R 10.30

Race 7
Win 1 = R 32.60
Place 1 = R 6.30

Race 8
Win 12 = R 25.40
Place 12 = R 7.00

captaingrumpy Wrote:

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> Englander Bingo Results Monday
>
> Race 2
> Win 14 = R 11.40
> Place 14 = R 3.10
>
> Race 3
> Win 8 = R 13.00
> Place 8 = R 3.90
>
> Race 4
> Win 11 = R 20.30
> Place 11 = R 6.10
>
> Race 5
> Win 14 = R 42.30
> Place 14 = R 10.30
>
> Race 7
> Win 1 = R 32.60
> Place 1 = R 6.30
>
> Race 8
> Win 12 = R 25.40
> Place 12 = R 7.00

Pointing out big payouts is one thing but showing me a no good ride that caused these results is what I want - The horses in Kim and Pe are normally riddled with problems which is why they end up there hence there in and out form - I have no doubt there is dishonesty in racing but without proof it means nothing.

Captain, I know... but that is not an individual stable, that is an individual day's card. Can't look at them all but from the top of my head... the Shams, for example were correct, Kahals did have sand form and their winner in the last was first time on the sand and that happens. The one I mentioned in the 4th I think, can't remember the name, but was much better drawn and blinker change. The one in the 6th was a wtf???? lol The point to me though is that there is not necessarily anything underhand, a reason can be found. When the reason given was not made public prior to the race is when I get annoyed. Or because of the unpublished "going" at Kimberley is NEVER given to the punters. It is the frequency of the wins as you say which can be the problem but if your not finding them, reduce stakes or stop at those venues. I look for the big priced ones and I used to love PE racing but I find it almost impossible currently but there are influencing factors... there have been vaccinations, the weather has caused havoc with the tracks recently and that has thrown much of the form out of the window, there are far more (to my mind) horses coming from other centers, and a lot of horses new to stables. All these things take time to settle etc. My problem at the moment is the lack of consistency in what I read but all those factors I just mentioned plus numerous others no doubt have a great affect on that consistency.

And on top of all that... there are just some "people" I simply don't trust!

Mr H that was all I was saying

Englander not speaking from pocket here got 2 of those qrts, more the frequency of outsiders winning and fav running unplaced(tu)

Glad we can agree on something

Gunter whipped and pushed Paris Sy (whatever the spellings) out from start to finish