July Fancies 2013

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> > > A three year old will win the july this year,
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> > > my opinion, time will tell.
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> > Recent results support that and I will make
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> Please give me an example of a 3 year old winning
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What are the ages of the last 4 July winners? And how many of the first 4 were three-year-olds?

FC Wrote:

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> Please give me an example of a 3 year old winning
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This is from another thread that i contributed to -

the last 4 winners of the July have been three-year-olds. In 2010 the first 5 were three. The first three in 2009. In 2011 three on the first 4 including Igugu and in 2012 two of the first 4. Obviously many of the older better horses are leaving SA and the improving three-year-old is the horse to be with.

Tis appropriate to call them 3 year olds in the 1st week of July as they will only become 4yr olds when the new season comes and that's a whole month away to 1st August.???:()

until we have sectional timing introduced in this country which will never happen it is impossible to start comparing times of races ...even on the same day...i recall igugu running much slower times in the lead up races to the july than her male counterparts on the same day and she still won plus a few times the july consolation has been quicker than the july itself.....i also dont trust the times that come from the courses either...to put it mildly we need to up our game to be a 1st world racing country in this regard

russelldewee Wrote:

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> I know times of races is not a reliable but here
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> All over the same course and distance: greyville
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> Beach beauty at 3: 94.64
> Vercengetorix at 3: 94.65
> Variety club at 3: 94.23
> Jackson at 3: 94.64
> Big City Life at 3: 98.42
> Imbongi at 3: 96.01
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> vercengetorix did at only his 3rd time seeing the
> track... mr De Kock knows his ability and wouldnt
> accept him into the July for the fun of it... id
> love to see their 400-finish speeds...
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> I think definately worth a nibble and talk its
> getting...

All the times were fast last Saturday probably due to the strong tailwind down the straight.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> What are the ages of the last 4 July winners? And
> how many of the first 4 were three-year-olds?


I meant this season.

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> > > A three year old will win the july this year,
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> > > my opinion, time will tell.
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> > Recent results support that and I will make
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> Please give me an example of a 3 year old winning
> in open company

YORKER, VERCINGETORIX(won a graduation) , ACT FAST, INDABA MY CHILDREN, CHAVE DE OURA and so on Must be many more over various distances just don't have the time or will to find them all

For me the 3 year olds this year are muddling. I am waiting until after the Daily News for a bet when hopefully the picture will be a little clearer. For me the value at present is Hill Fifty Four at 28,57/1 a win 6,57/1 a place.

FESTIVAL OF FIRE, TELLINA, MASTER SABINA, BLUERIDGE MOUNTAIN.....

shrek Wrote:

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> For me the 3 year olds this year are muddling. I
> am waiting until after the Daily News for a bet
> when hopefully the picture will be a little
> clearer. For me the value at present is Hill Fifty
> Four at 28,57/1 a win 6,57/1 a place.


I understand that(I do like this horse) but for me I'll be looking at the Final Field and then looking at the youngsters first as I cannot believe that the high amount of 3yr old earners in this race over the last 4 years is a fluke.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> > For me the 3 year olds this year are muddling.
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> > am waiting until after the Daily News for a bet
> > when hopefully the picture will be a little
> > clearer. For me the value at present is Hill
> Fifty
> > Four at 28,57/1 a win 6,57/1 a place.
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> I understand that(I do like this horse) but for
> me I'll be looking at the Final Field and then
> looking at the youngsters first as I cannot
> believe that the high amount of 3yr old earners in
> this race over the last 4 years is a fluke.


Mr H, I always like 3 year olds in the July and don't every remember backing a winner in the July that was not a 3 year old. My main bet will be on a 3 year old, I am just not sure yet between Yorker, Vercingetorix or if COTT get supplemented.

shrek Wrote:

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> For me the 3 year olds this year are muddling. I
> am waiting until after the Daily News for a bet
> when hopefully the picture will be a little
> clearer. For me the value at present is Hill Fifty
> Four at 28,57/1 a win 6,57/1 a place.


i agree with you Shrek H54 is huge value atm....after he wins the bw1900 we will never see that price anywhere