Merit Ratings -4 yr olds and older

109 is too high considering the way he won against poor opposition last time but i am lost now because Blazing Sunset(52) is now a 77? wow i wish some handicapper would come on and explain how that race was rated - even the horse that ran last 13lengths went up 6 points and she was getting 4kg ???????

Jimmi Choo's run was full of merit.Short of his best distance and condition on a fast track he showed signs of a fair horse

hibernia Wrote:

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> Would love to see the 120 rated RSA horses running
> against the European 120 rated horses ...
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> Seemingly it was done to protect the status of the
> South African grade1 races oversees, even though
> it confuses
> The @#$%& out off the most important members of
> the racing community the punters.
> When you think that the most important Saf Gr1 is
> a handicap anyway so why would they bother ?
>
> Please explain to the clanners that the raising of
> the merit ratings was done after a recent
> inetrnational handicappers conference that was
> held in Durban. It had to be done to bring us in
> line with international standards for Group races.
> Hence without it we would lose the international
> Group 1 status of most of our Group 1's. Putting
> us in the same category as Singapore where group
> 1's are all local quality and only the Krisflyer
> and the Cup is recognised as Group 1's.


This is typical "dumb" thinking ............it suggests that you can assume that all group1's are equal??
So Ngong only need to put their top horse up to a MR of 124 and that makes it an "international standard" horse..........WTF ?

If you happen to be in a situation where your best are leaving the country,how can you falsely elevate your second best to the same status?

hibernia Wrote:

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> Would love to see the 120 rated RSA horses running
> against the European 120 rated horses ...
>
> Seemingly it was done to protect the status of the
> South African grade1 races oversees, even though
> it confuses
> The @#$%& out off the most important members of
> the racing community the punters.
> When you think that the most important Saf Gr1 is
> a handicap anyway so why would they bother ?
>
> Please explain to the clanners that the raising of
> the merit ratings was done after a recent
> inetrnational handicappers conference that was
> held in Durban. It had to be done to bring us in
> line with international standards for Group races.
> Hence without it we would lose the international
> Group 1 status of most of our Group 1's. Putting
> us in the same category as Singapore where group
> 1's are all local quality and only the Krisflyer
> and the Cup is recognised as Group 1's.


Well at last some feedback at least - but it seems that now the majority of runners (by far) gets penalized to bring relatively few runners in line with international standards - what would happen if a sand horse like Silver Specialist tries his luck on the turf - would his sand rating be increased by 6 points?

when was the last time an international challenger(apart from zim) raided a rsa grade1?

proper bullshit

Can we now expect that everytime our top 12-18 horses are exported,we just raise what's left by 6 or so points again.

Because of export ,the July was won by the second top wght at a MR of 112 (top weight 113)
If that is the ability of whats left,so be it!

effectively we can expect the 3yos to will most hcaps this season....

keniza999 Wrote:

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> effectively we can expect the 3yos to will most
> hcaps this season....


yes

keniza999 Wrote:

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> effectively we can expect the 3yos to will most
> hcaps this season....


Indeed it must advantage the 3 year olds as their mr's were calculated based on 3 yo's running in open company before August. I think...

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> keniza999 Wrote:
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> > effectively we can expect the 3yos to will most
> > hcaps this season....
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> yes


...............Until the MR's blend............................assuming they will always use an older horse as the line horse?????
False manipulation is never the answer IMO.

mr hawaii Wrote:

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> 109 is too high considering the way he won against
> poor opposition last time but i am lost now
> because Blazing Sunset(52) is now a 77? wow i wish
> some handicapper would come on and explain how
> that race was rated - even the horse that ran last
> 13lengths went up 6 points and she was getting
> 4kg ???????

this is how i see it....
basically all the older horses were adjusted by 6 points, Virtuosity was then used as the line horse, Blazing Sunset was getting 12 pounds from the line horse and beat it by 2 which makes him 10 pounds inferior hence 78 (88-10). Jimmi and Blazing were given -1 point less than what they ran to. the others were left unchanged or with minor adjustments....

keniza999 Wrote:

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> mr hawaii Wrote:
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> > 109 is too high considering the way he won
> against
> > poor opposition last time but i am lost now
> > because Blazing Sunset(52) is now a 77? wow i
> wish
> > some handicapper would come on and explain how
> > that race was rated - even the horse that ran
> last
> > 13lengths went up 6 points and she was getting
> > 4kg ???????
>
> this is how i see it....
> basically all the older horses were adjusted by 6
> points, Virtuosity was then used as the line
> horse, Blazing Sunset was getting 12 pounds from
> the line horse and beat it by 2 which makes him 10
> pounds inferior hence 78 (88-10). Jimmi and
> Blazing were given -1 point less than what they
> ran to. the others were left unchanged or with
> minor adjustments....

how can blazing go from a 52 to a 77 when he only placed in the mid 60's and very low 50's - That poor horse will battle with that rating as his previous record has showed - 14 runs before are ignored and one good run in the off season sees a 25 point hike!!