Derek Brugmans response

pirates Wrote:

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> Flash Harry Wrote:
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> > englander how often you here the horse is only
> > 70%/80% fit be fore a race and it win? i here
> what
> > you say im not argue with you imvho listening
> to
> > trainer/jockey is dangerous.
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> yes fh it mite be dangerous listening to them but
> firstly give the punters the CHOICE of listening
> or not and secondly like englander says its the
> WELLBEING of the horse and any other info that we
> the punter arent aware abt that helps us make a
> decision ..how often we hear things like we scoped
> her and we found she was full of mucus or she has
> a daisycutter action and didnt like the soft
> goingetc etc etc


whilst form is there for everyone to see...its the horses that are making debuts/after relocating,are the real issues,....i mean its really annoying to hear after a race that this horse or that horse,has not acclimatised,,etc,etc...especially kimberley and pe..horse with good form that have come from other centres..take a while to settle in..its nice to know...especially in p6 races now....cos adding or deleting 1 horse..is a huge factor in the final analysis....

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> englander how often you here the horse is only
> 70%/80% fit be fore a race and it win? i here what
> you say im not argue with you imvho listening to
> trainer/jockey is dangerous.

FH, I have no wish to argue with you either As I said, you are close to being 100% right imo but there is a BUT and that is hopefully what I "explained" above. You are also right imo, in that sometimes an 80% fit horse wins but they are far less frequent than those you hear about who had, shall we say, previous issues, in interviews when it is all too late.

I also think that if all trainers had to give one-liners pre-racing you would soon get a very clear idea of who is on the level, who is a little coy and who talks misleading twaddle.

You are also correct about Tara, it is unfair to single her out and I for one, don't mean to. It is unfortunate for her that this issue arose as there are about 90% of trainers who fail to give info to the public, whether that be because they don't have their own sites or because journos don't ask the questions etc etc, who knows. One thing though, I commend this journo for trying to get some info but I still can't fathom why it is only done for the PE meeting and only the P6 races.

I can't help but feel a little responsible for all this

if you want to really know the value of trainers and jockeys comments then undertake the following excersise record 2 weeks of telly track interviews. then store these recordings in your loft.

after 1 year crack open a bottle of JW Plat or Black fire up form grids and start watching the POST race interviews.

you will discover the following things
1: most horses in SA win a race and have MORE improvement in them
2: after checking with formgrids you will find this is not the case

Enjoy your night of drink and comedy. then be grateful that we are not privy to jockeys and trainers comments on a GRAND scale.

Of course there are exceptions, some tell it like it is, or even if they fluff it up a bit the horse is quickly retired to a happy home. These for me are the sharp trainers, my friend Goosen is one of them. Goodman another that i am sure knows the true ability of all his stable.

BUT the majority all have champions and multiple winners that need a bit more ground.....

how hard is it to say i prefer horse a to horse b of my coupling? You are not being asked what horse you think will win the race but which of YOUR horses you prefer

mr h please do these little exercise for me

go look at the companies that will be reporting earning on stock exchange in next 2 to 3 months. then phone up the company secretery and tell him you are the speculator and want to buy shares please he must tell you how the company is doing. for clarity you ask outside of the "closed" period.

good luck with that my friend is exactly the same scenario with racing

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> mr h please do these little exercise for me
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> go look at the companies that will be reporting
> earning on stock exchange in next 2 to 3 months.
> then phone up the company secretery and tell him
> you are the speculator and want to buy shares
> please he must tell you how the company is doing.
> for clarity you ask outside of the "closed"
> period.
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> good luck with that my friend is exactly the same
> scenario with racing


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hey flash if trainers comments are a no go in your opinion then why do you ask louis goosen on this forum abt his horses?you live in the dark ages of racing its time to live in the present as the game has changed

pirates where i say is a no go? some trainer i take poison if he likes horse. jeff woodruff is such the trainer. let me say some trainer have no idea the worse i can think is gavin smith who if he say i like these one you run to back the companion. what i do say is trainers get it wrong between their own horse many time. louis it happen as well

Flash Harry Wrote:

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let me say some trainer have no
> idea the worse i can think is gavin smith who if
> he say i like these one you run to back the
> companion.

my turn to... lol -

If Steff or Dorrie had been asked specifically to give their opinion about Pay Master the response would have been that the horse will definitely need it but the stable mate will prove hard to beat, after that race the sling offs would have been non stop and they would have been accused of "middling" the public and the we've been "Sham'ed" scenario would have been brandished etc..and for what?? for giving a honest opinion...If i was a trainer there is NO WAY i would give an opinion...you pay your money you take the chance....

Guys remember the other day at flamingo wen shams commented on there runners horse tht was fancied gotscratched and coupling won but they ggenuinely believed it needed run fact remains they took time out to give comments on horses and yes they hate commenting about Kimberly string it was up to us to use or not use info if most trainers have competent assistants and surely tara was updated on status of horses some sort of comment shud b given