Snaith Yard PE December 2013

rob faux Wrote:

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> > 62% runners to stakes is a brilliant return Mr
> > E...and the more runners they have the harder
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> > is to keep the win averages up.. sometimes 3
> > runners in a race and only 1 can win...
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> Whichever way you want to explain it ,the yard
> have over the last few weeks had many runners that
> at the weights were "penalty kicks"
> Many ran to way below ratings (some over 30%
> worse)That should not be happening on a regular
> basis without query!
> There is a NHA rule that states horses must be
> raced on merit!!!!!
> Therefore if a horse rated 100 runs to a 75 either
> the MR is wrong or the horse didn't run on
> merit,so to apply the rule either the handicapper
> or connections need to
> explain..................bear in mind ,I didn't
> make the rule ,they did!
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> Surely,for the product to be trusted the
> regulators should be asking the questions the
> punters are thinking!
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> The rules are in place(as bad as many of them are)
> so either delete them, amend them or enforce
> them...........is that so hard for them to
> understand?
> What is happening presently is they are ignoring
> them ..........an unacceptable option.


Spot on Rob, a spade is a spade ,a rose is a rose,u can't run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.Nicely said(tu)

when last do jockey club have the enquiry into inconsistent running of a horse? when last do they suspend the horse for the same reason? rob is old timer like me i wonder what these jockey club is doing with page and page of rules they are theire for show not for control

Gummit... imo Titch often plays a vital role on this forum doing exactly what you say he does. I may often disagree with him (and sometimes I think he talks utter nonsense lol) but we can all go too far sometimes in our criticism. This forum is often viewed as negative and, as I have said before, there is probably truth in that but, I think our complaints etc are there to hopefully try and bring about improvements. Titch can bring that negativity back down with comments as made above. He is right, that is not exactly a bad record, although I would still side with Rob's comments, as is my choice. Let us not knock any clanner for their opinions etc (unless they are personal and continually negative - as mine are becoming lol). And, let us just say Rob is 100% right... no disrespect to Rob of course but... what does it matter when almost everyone who can help bring about change refuses to listen/contribute/take the necessary action? I still find the explanations as to why somewhat ridiculous, even childish but, it nevertheless does seem to be the sad reality.

Rob my question is what rating did Star Jet run to yesterday...

Len Sham Wrote:

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> Rob my question is what rating did Star Jet run to
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Len ,conservatively 88 (in my book I have a ?+) I thought the horse had a ton in hand so not sure what the run could have been!

rob faux Wrote:

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> > Rob my question is what rating did Star Jet run
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> Len ,conservatively 88 (in my book I have a ?+) I
> thought the horse had a ton in hand so not sure
> what the run could have been!
Thank you ,has she ever ran anywhere near that before:S

rob faux Wrote:

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> > Rob, in your opinion those favs that have been
> > rolled should they have been favs? I find
> bookies
> > price up the Snaith yard horribly. Often
> making
> > the Fourie ride for Snaith the odds on fav
> > regardless of the merits of the horse.
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> Richie, if a horse has between 5-10 lengths in
> hand , what price would you expect?
> You can't have one opinion for every runner- have
> a long list of overrated runners but when a
> division horses run unplaced in a novice plate,
> something is amiss-it might be a virus , it might
> be unsoundness, it might be a very badly needed
> run-it's the regulators job to get those answers
> for us!

Thank you Rob, always enjoy your posts!

The Snaith yard in PE - not firing on all cilinders to my liking. Previously the stable fired left and right but lately too many good horses with brilliant form gets rolled too often now.

rob faux Wrote:

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> > Rob my question is what rating did Star Jet run
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> Len ,conservatively 88 (in my book I have a ?+) I
> thought the horse had a ton in hand so not sure
> what the run could have been!


could of won by 5 or 6, clever jocket held her back...

anyone know if these hotties that get rolled are based in PE or arrive the day before from CT???

gnieman Wrote:

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> The Snaith yard in PE - not firing on all
> cilinders to my liking. Previously the stable
> fired left and right but lately too many good
> horses with brilliant form gets rolled too often
> now.


i dont understand what u guys are on about.
Look at the PE form last few meetings

3 JAN 2014
5 RUNNERS IN 4 races.
1 winner the feature race at 28/10
2 that were priced up at 10/1 and ran accordingly.
red minalouche no form priced up at 7/2 RAN POORLY.
darling moon odds on fav. ran below form but maybe 1200 to short for it now.

30 DECEMBER 2013
6 RUNNERS IN 4 RACES
2 winners both short priced favs. money made
2 priced up at 7/1 and 10/1 ran accordingly
1 10/1 ran 4th
and AUGUST National beaten fav. now beaten three times as fav in PE going back to september.

27 DECEMBER 2013
10 RUNNERS NO WINNERS
6 RAN IN THE 1ST 4
NO FAVORITES MOSTLY 5/1 OR WORSE.

20 DECEMBER 2013
3 RUNNERS
2 PLACES
CHANGING OF THE GAURD VERY DISAPPOINTING IN THE FEATURE RACE.

13 DECEMBER 2013
7 RUNNERS 5 RACES
no winners
no horse priced up as favourite
4 stake cheques. 5 horses ran close up.
shimmer and shine probably never took to polytrack. cause next time out ran to form again.

6 DECEMBER 2013
10 RUNNERS IN 7 RACES.
3 WINNERS
2 PRICED UP AS FAVORITE And one at 14/1
MISS JAMIE beaten fav 2nd by 1 length.
the rest 7/1 or so

Flash Harry Wrote:

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> when last do jockey club have the enquiry into
> inconsistent running of a horse? when last do they
> suspend the horse for the same reason? rob is old
> timer like me i wonder what these jockey club is
> doing with page and page of rules they are theire
> for show not for control


If I understand Rob correctly and , then if a horse is rated 90(and has run to that before) but then runs to a 75 you have to have an inquiry as either there is something wrong with the horse or rating or as a last resort there is some form of misdeed- What's the point of quantifying the animal's ability if you as the Guardians of the sport do not take it seriously. The rules are there to enforce not to fill pages and it is high time the NHRA distance themselves from the operator and do their jobs. If the public are to be respected then the Stipes need to take a stand and show their willingness to police the sport. When last have the stipes called the Cape jocks into a meeting regarding their ambling pace setting in staying events? Racing may be a hobby for most punters and owners but it should not take that form for the NHRA who are paid to protect the Industry!!

Gummit Wrote:

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> Titch always defending stables not performing or
> jocks giving the horse a bad ride, you must be
> their agent I guess.

What stable did i defend that is not performing???