Form a queue to get your cash back guys

pirates wrote: titch I have built up relationships with a few bookmaking firms over many years and I do not have a problem getting what I want on with them..Garrick has spoken about this for years on this forum..one thing I wont do is get on for someone else ...I don't like surprizes either way and will continue to take a fixed price win or place bet with them for what I PERCIEVE AS VALUE not the crap I must hear that this is VALUE 10 minutes before the race has been run and the presenter hasn't a clue what the final dividend will be....why do you think Phumelela now own 100 percent of betting world bookmakers firm because they believe that all punters out there are mugs and will buy into this propagands crap of tote wins and places being better than fixed odds?

pirates wrote:

Titch wrote: Greyville 2nd Jan
Race 1 MISS PIUS (SP 7/2)
Tote Win R5.20
Race 2 NATIONAL APPROVAL (SP 13/20)
Tote Win R2.60
Race 3 ICE PACK (SP 11/10)
Tote Win R2.20
Race 4 ART DECO (SP 15/20)
Tote Win R1.80
Race 5 SUPREME POWER (SP 9/2)
Tote Win R6.60
Race 6 BEEWITHMEE (SP 15/2)
Tote Win R10.40
Race 7 SAME JURISDICTION (SP 9/10)
Tote Win R1.70
Race 8 DANISH ZEALOT (SP 6/1)
Tote Win R7.80

Due to the co-mingling of the Totes with France all the win pools were around R1m and there can be no argument that the win value was with the Tote, so whoever supports the open bet and says its good for the punter should have a rethink a strong tote will ALWAYS be better value ...

tell me titch why don't you take the AVERAGE PRICE TRADED instead of the starting price for bookmakers or do you think that every punter that bets with bookmakers takes starting prices? YOU HAVE TO HAVE ROCKS IN YOUR HEAD IF YOU HAVE A WIN aND PLACE BET ON THE TOTE AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE RETURN IS UNTIL AFTER THE RACE.... whoever thinks that bigger win and place pools mean a bigger return also has shit for brains and presenters who say this shit on television must be saying it either under duress or have fcukall clue how the betting market works,,how presenters can gloat about tote value well before the race is off should also go on a course on HOW THE BETTING WORKS ...it is a fcuking disgrace the crap I have to listen to

Titch wrote: The fact that the Tote changes 1 to 2 minutes AFTER the off is exactly what I have a problem with...so a punter has no clue and no recourse...it can change in any direction...even be manipulated...
Why the delay on the Tote dividends...??????? I cannot accept the computer still number crunching.... :whistle:
You dont seriously believe that the tote is being manipulated

Blondie wrote: The reason why the tote changes up to a minute after they jump because of the overseas money coming in.

Titch wrote: The payouts yesterday and today strengthen my argument..the stronger he Tote the better the value..watch the diff when the French are betting into our pools