First timer rule in Jackpot

Titch wrote: That was/is my point, you seem to over look the fact that with the introduction of the pick 6 the J/Pot took a back seat so to speak, in order to rejuvenate interest the rules were amended to make it more of a challenge which would equate to bigger payouts and more attractive to punters, if the 1st timer rule and couplings etc were reinstated the payouts would plummet and the bet would die...

nowhere did I mention reinstate the couplings rule but the first timer rule for the jackpot must be the same as the pick 6..you cannot expect punters to bet blind ...

So then by the same token, shouldn't bookmakers exclude 1st timers from the betting and payout on the 1st raced horse past the post to avoid punters having to "bet blind", I notice there has never been a complaint about this???

this game is not about me or you titch it relys on the punters to fund the game and this piece I have sums up the punters mindset...for many diehard punters the white railings that separate them from the owners and trainers within the parade ring are more than just a physical barrier..these railings are a sort of great divide that bar the general public from ever knowing the real form and stable whispers on race day.inside the parade ring are those members of the community who are privy to the most current stable developments a privileged set who often prosper through betting coups.......for the onlooker the thrill of finding a winner is often a shot in the dark affair .with no PUBLIC trial gallops to assess a field of runners or running bulletin to give an update on the FITNESS of participants ,the average racegoer has to rely on the printed form ,betting shifts ,instincts or in bizarre instances on dreams....this piece was written over 2 decades ago and yes things have improved but we are nowhere near as an industry close to where we should be ..im sure by now titch and others are tired of my bleating and moaning so will call it a day on this and other industry issues

On closing, so called "inside information" is without a doubt the most dangerous tool any punter could want, it gives unjustified confidence and in most cases leads one to bet far bigger than one would normally do and more often than not it comes unstuck, the 1 ticket P6 winners don't catch it with the aid of "privileged info" in fact very very few, if any, big wins are the product of "graft", form study is available to all with superb tools like formgrids which remains free of charge and is imo far more valuable to the punter than any insider...

yes titch as a great a product formgrids is ,it doesn't tell you the fitness and general wellbeing of the horse ..same with the computaform a great formguide also doesn't tell you the fitness and general wellbeing of a horse..one example and there are plenty just yesterday if you liked one fine day and it was favourite or 2nd favourite we were informed that it was 75 percent fit by Mathew de kock in the race preview and it ran out off fitness in the last furlong...surely the entire punting public should be aware of this well before the meeting starts and im not having any go at the connections of the horse ?

To be fair the transparency in the industry has come on in leaps and bounds since the advent of social media, teletrack and forums such as abc to aide the punter, should public time trials be introduced how long before the accusations start flying about horses being given "easy" runs in time trials should they run above expectations in their first race...

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Thx Bob - interesting that for the Bi-Pot it does not even specify whether the first-timer rule applies or not

It is mind boggling that anyone can think that uninformed punters make for better clients.

As long as any pari-mutuel bet is elimination based and all SA bets and most global bets are, the uninformed are at a great disadvantage.

The shocking results that racing is having world wide with drawing new customers are partly because of the so called game of skill performing more like a lottery given the lack of information for players to apply their skill.

It is also the only sport where contestants are entered with no guarantee of trying in a particular event as it might just be a prep run or a stepping stone to another more lucrative pay day.

LSU wrote: It is mind boggling that anyone can think that uninformed punters make for better clients.

As long as any pari-mutuel bet is elimination based and all SA bets and most global bets are, the uninformed are at a great disadvantage.

The shocking results that racing is having world wide with drawing new customers are partly because of the so called game of skill performing more like a lottery given the lack of information for players to apply their skill.

It is also the only sport where contestants are entered with no guarantee of trying in a particular event as it might just be a prep run or a stepping stone to another more lucrative pay day.

very well put lsu

I have been pointed to this part of their website many times, nothing is clear and infact there seems to be parts missing

An undeniable racing fact that makes for better punting:

F=Form
A=Ability
C=Condition
T=Truly Trying