Saftote

Titch wrote:

rob faux wrote:

Titch wrote: Really????? :S :ohmy:

Yip............would make quite a big difference to draws in sprint legs of exotics so is quite important...........but you are so busy defending you go blind! :lol:

However,Titch, as you know bookmaker bets are confidential ,so can I challenge you to waive that and publicly, here,give permission for any bookmaker, that you support by taking the open bet, to declare that on this forum?

I have absolutely no problem with that at all, actually the fact that they discussed any aspect of my account with you is something i do take exception to and i must actually insist that you divulge who they are ..... However what got my interest up Rob is that after all the eventual's in your opening statement and the obvious need to make 2 calls after the first one was answered by a voice message it took you all of 11 minutes to get hold of them on the 2nd call explain the situation on multiple occasions etc etc etc terminate your call and post your complaint... so surely the call could not have been as long and tedious as you would have us believe...??

So you concede there is something to divulge .....just testing something I had heard, so thank you for that

rob faux wrote: So you concede there is something to divulge .....just testing something I had heard, so thank you for that

That is , to say the least, an extremely disappointing and weak response...surely you could do better than that Rob, you have quite clearly spoken to someone who has access to my account and they would have confirmed that I do not utilize the open bet option so you thought you would make another of your indirect and unsubstantiated stab in the dark accusations in the hope of planting a seed... The fact that only one of my betting accounts offers an open bet option narrows it down for me and they have received an email from me to investigate who accessed my account recently and if they are unable to and cannot help me I will terminate the account tomorrow, I have already withdrawn my funds...
As far as the "something I had heard" BS goes ..why not stop being vague and tell us who you heard this from, im sure if the person (if he/she even exists) was bold enough to mention it to you they will not have any problem with their name being mentioned....until then stop fabricating nonsense to suit your argument and rather spend the time explaining the 11 minutes of hell you went through that prompted this thread in the first place...unless of course that too was a complete fabrication..

Oh Titch , you are so on the wrong track.......a simple case of a discussion at a racing pub where the forum came under discussion. You won't be surprised there are many readers who don't post but have strong opinions, verbally, especially after a few drinks.
A guy,who obviously knows you (or of you, as he knew your real name) made a comment "he says he is so anti open bet but I know he sometimes places exotics on the books"
I had never seen him before , or since, but I threw out the bait, and you answered!!........simple as that!

Rob do you ever go racing in the South? Would be a pleasure to meet you we seem to have many similar thoughts on racing.

In respect to your comment about many punters at our books also have a lot to say about this forum but never post. Insofar as Titch and the open bet goes, all I can say is he probably prefers the better service received

The fact that I would have no problem with anyone posting any Open Bet that I have ever taken should be self explanatory Rob and is hardly "taking the bait" they are non existent so there would be nothing to post, you worded you challenge in such a way that I believed you had spoken to a bookmaker (or staff member) who claimed that they had proof of such, however the fact that they had even perused my account and where discussing it was what I would have taken exception to, as for your source he/she clearly was taking a complete flyer and landed way off the mark...

Over the Air wrote: Rob do you ever go racing in the South? Would be a pleasure to meet you we seem to have many similar thoughts on racing.

In respect to your comment about many punters at our books also have a lot to say about this forum but never post. Insofar as Titch and the open bet goes, all I can say is he probably prefers the better service received

OTA I am pro racing, the fact that the bookmakers are prepared to go to the lengths they have done and continue to do so in order to offer the Open Bet should be proof enough just how much money is being taken out of our pools, your "us vs them" attitude is typical of many pro open bet punters but remember one thing without the operators there would be no product or "game" at all, simple truth, it amazes me how many folk claim to "love the game" and then continue to knock it and selfishly support a bet that is clearly detrimental to the said "game"

OTA, I would be happy to come to your spot one afternoon......Mr H (Steve) and I have also been trying to get together so maybe we could entice him to join us.
Am tied up next week but the week after would be good (tues or Thur best for me).

Titch, it will probably surprise you that I place 99% of my exotics on the tote and wins/places on the books -the odd open bet is merely a convenience issue.It is when trying to do the "right thing" that it is so infuriating to get that kind of crap yesterday.
Why bother to add "poly" to the headings when both were wrong ......it is careless and shows how much they care......and when you contact them they care even less
I would love to be in charge of them for a few weeks ......sorting out that attitude is a piece of cake!
Why does Saftote management not care?

Rob lets not loose track of the fact that the error was made by 1 staff member, that is not an excuse its a reason for the hiccup, it was rectified when I checked at 10:30,the fact that there are errors made should not suggest that management do not care as that is simply not the case, I had a problem with a certain online bookmaker regarding a deposit that was not reflecting in my account and called their so called customer care line who told me they would look into it, after holding on for what felt like an eternity I was told that they would get back to me, an hour later I had to call them again, as infuriating as it was at the time this is by no means a true reflection of the overall service offered by the company or management but purely on the staff member in question, on numerous occasions before this incident my queries with the same firm have been dealt with in a timely and professional manner,
I believe that the same applies to yesterday.. an unfortunate oversight that was rectified..

rob faux wrote: Titch, it will probably surprise you that I place 99% of my exotics on the tote and wins/places on the books -the odd open bet is merely a convenience issue.

You got that right... a pleasant surprise but a surprise indeed

Rob if we can organise something that would be great. I am also prepared to travel to meet you guys.

Titch please do me one big favour and take the time to read through Phumelela interim results. Look at two things. Firstly the emphasis about what an albatross local racing is around their necks ( but this generates more than half their turnover ), and secondly their gloating about how they are improving their footprint in fixed odds betting ie. Betting World. There is also plenty bleating about other sources of income and none of it has anything to do about horses.

You are misguided. Very misguided. The Elephant is in the room and you are blissfully unaware.

OTA there is nothing wrong with fixed odds, in fact its an integral part of horse racing, Betting World does not offer the Open Bet only fixed odds betting and they leave the Tote bets to the tote...if all bookmaking firms followed suit we would not be suffering this debacle ....
With regards to the elephant in the room, I have been told for the last 20 years that Horse Racing is on the way out.... Sales figures continue to disprove this theory as do the growing tote turnovers..