Paddock Stakes 2016
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months ago
Unfortunately Siren's Call jarred up after her warm up run, so was withdrawn prior to acceptances.
Quartet box Same Jurisdiction/ Inara/ Smart Call/ Pine Princess.
Quartet box Same Jurisdiction/ Inara/ Smart Call/ Pine Princess.
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months agoPeterD wrote: Unfortunately Siren's Call jarred up after her warm up run, so was withdrawn prior to acceptances.
Quartet box Same Jurisdiction/ Inara/ Smart Call/ Pine Princess.
Don't discount Bela Bela, her run in the Guineas was all wrong.
I know the 3 year old fillies have not yet set the track alight apart from Silver Mountain but I feel this filly is very decent. She has not yet achieved her best rating.....
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months agoPeterD wrote: Unfortunately Siren's Call jarred up after her warm up run, so was withdrawn prior to acceptances.
Quartet box Same Jurisdiction/ Inara/ Smart Call/ Pine Princess.
Bummer... Selections look like they choose themselves now but with a few bad draws will be taking a chance on Bela and an outside place on Ramdens runner. Actually , will probably just skip the betting and enjoy the race. Again , shame SC didn't come through as would have made the field that much stronger.
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
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Same Jurisdiction is the best 4yo filly in the country, but that's up to 1600m. Over 1800m, she's probably not at her best. This brings the likes of Smart Call and Inara etc into the race.
Regarding Bela-Bela, I agree. She beat Chevauchee with a ton in hand. This may mean little but Victoria Lavelle also beat the same horse next time out. We've just seen Victoria Lavelle come out and beat some good older fillies like Real Princess and Cuvee Brut. The talent is there for the 3yo's to beat the older fillies. Bela-Bela has the talent no doubt, would they throw her here on just her fourth start? Massive improvement to come and I feel she's the dark horse as we don't know how good she is yet. Have a feeling she might prove to be the 2nd best 3yo Filly around.
Having said that, Same Jurisdiction is so classy she may still win even at 1800m and even with that terrible draw. A cracker.
Regarding Bela-Bela, I agree. She beat Chevauchee with a ton in hand. This may mean little but Victoria Lavelle also beat the same horse next time out. We've just seen Victoria Lavelle come out and beat some good older fillies like Real Princess and Cuvee Brut. The talent is there for the 3yo's to beat the older fillies. Bela-Bela has the talent no doubt, would they throw her here on just her fourth start? Massive improvement to come and I feel she's the dark horse as we don't know how good she is yet. Have a feeling she might prove to be the 2nd best 3yo Filly around.
Having said that, Same Jurisdiction is so classy she may still win even at 1800m and even with that terrible draw. A cracker.
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months ago
Does anyone give the Snaith 3yo's have a shout ? Remember Inara last year ?
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
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The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
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9 years 5 months agoThe missing link wrote: The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
Not Sure she gets this far at top speed ?
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9 years 5 months ago - 9 years 5 months agoBob Brogan wrote:The missing link wrote: The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
Not Sure she gets this far at top speed ?
Silver mountain wouldn't run a place in this field so I think the 3 year olds are filling up numbers personally. Strikers switched to the other 3 year old so must be the more fancied of the two? I'm brassing the lot, happy to get thrown out the P6 if one of the 3 year olds pull off a miracle. if one of them do win then Noa from Goa must be an absolute superstar.
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months agoThe missing link wrote:Bob Brogan wrote:The missing link wrote: The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
Not Sure she gets this far at top speed ?
Silver mountain wouldn't run a place in this field so I think the 3 year olds are filling up numbers personally. Strikers switched to the other 3 year old so must be the more fancied of the two? I'm brassing the lot, happy to get thrown out the P6 if one of the 3 year olds pull off a miracle. if one of them do win then Noa from Goa must be an absolute superstar.
Must be on the wind-up surely? Mate- let's look at what she's done so far. She won the Choice Carriers from an impossible draw - maybe not so impressive but considering it was on the old course with the short straight - now that's something. The Fillies Guineas wasn't a race so I won't talk about that.
She got beat in the Guineas under a length. Now which of the 4yo fillies in the race had a pedigree like her at this stage in their careers? Which of these 4yo fillies was even thought good enough to take on the males in their 3yo careers? Silver Mountain attempted 2 Gr1's in 2 weeks - Only one horse has won the double, that should tell you how difficult it is to win it. Silver Mountain has only had 6 runs, there is plenty more improvement to come. Forget about using Bela-Bela, Our destiny etc to point to holes in her form - she's in a league above them.
Candice said that SM is already as good as Sun Classique and maybe even better. Now that should speak for itself. If you want to brass SM after one defeat then go ahead mate, she'll prove you wrong

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9 years 5 months agoMasterOfMyFate wrote:The missing link wrote:Bob Brogan wrote:The missing link wrote: The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
Not Sure she gets this far at top speed ?
Silver mountain wouldn't run a place in this field so I think the 3 year olds are filling up numbers personally. Strikers switched to the other 3 year old so must be the more fancied of the two? I'm brassing the lot, happy to get thrown out the P6 if one of the 3 year olds pull off a miracle. if one of them do win then Noa from Goa must be an absolute superstar.
Must be on the wind-up surely? Mate- let's look at what she's done so far. She won the Choice Carriers from an impossible draw - maybe not so impressive but considering it was on the old course with the short straight - now that's something. The Fillies Guineas wasn't a race so I won't talk about that.
She got beat in the Guineas under a length. Now which of the 4yo fillies in the race had a pedigree like her at this stage in their careers? Which of these 4yo fillies was even thought good enough to take on the males in their 3yo careers? Silver Mountain attempted 2 Gr1's in 2 weeks - Only one horse has won the double, that should tell you how difficult it is to win it. Silver Mountain has only had 6 runs, there is plenty more improvement to come. Forget about using Bela-Bela, Our destiny etc to point to holes in her form - she's in a league above them.
Candice said that SM is already as good as Sun Classique and maybe even better. Now that should speak for itself. If you want to brass SM after one defeat then go ahead mate, she'll prove you wrong
If she had skipped her last run and decided to go for this race I don't believe she would've run a place. I don't think at this stage in her career she would be able to beat the likes of Same Juristication, Smart call and Inara over 1800m. She will progress into a great filly but I still think it would've been to early for her to beat the best fillies in the country over 1800m. She needs time but I don't believe she is as good as Majmu at this stage in her career which is where she'd need to compete in this race. I'm not using lines to brass any of the 3 year olds, I just don't think the crop is in the same league to be competitive in a race like this yet (if ever). I personally think majmu, Same jurisdiction and Sirens call would give Silver Mountain a clap all day every day but only time will tell :whistle:
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Re: Paddock Stakes 2016
9 years 5 months agoThe missing link wrote:MasterOfMyFate wrote:The missing link wrote:Bob Brogan wrote:The missing link wrote: The draw bias is going to have to be biblical for Bela Bela to beat the older horses, its an awful crop imo. I think Same juristiction wins at a canter with the long straight.
Not Sure she gets this far at top speed ?
Silver mountain wouldn't run a place in this field so I think the 3 year olds are filling up numbers personally. Strikers switched to the other 3 year old so must be the more fancied of the two? I'm brassing the lot, happy to get thrown out the P6 if one of the 3 year olds pull off a miracle. if one of them do win then Noa from Goa must be an absolute superstar.
Must be on the wind-up surely? Mate- let's look at what she's done so far. She won the Choice Carriers from an impossible draw - maybe not so impressive but considering it was on the old course with the short straight - now that's something. The Fillies Guineas wasn't a race so I won't talk about that.
She got beat in the Guineas under a length. Now which of the 4yo fillies in the race had a pedigree like her at this stage in their careers? Which of these 4yo fillies was even thought good enough to take on the males in their 3yo careers? Silver Mountain attempted 2 Gr1's in 2 weeks - Only one horse has won the double, that should tell you how difficult it is to win it. Silver Mountain has only had 6 runs, there is plenty more improvement to come. Forget about using Bela-Bela, Our destiny etc to point to holes in her form - she's in a league above them.
Candice said that SM is already as good as Sun Classique and maybe even better. Now that should speak for itself. If you want to brass SM after one defeat then go ahead mate, she'll prove you wrong
If she had skipped her last run and decided to go for this race I don't believe she would've run a place. I don't think at this stage in her career she would be able to beat the likes of Same Juristication, Smart call and Inara over 1800m. She will progress into a great filly but I still think it would've been to early for her to beat the best fillies in the country over 1800m. She needs time but I don't believe she is as good as Majmu at this stage in her career which is where she'd need to compete in this race. I'm not using lines to brass any of the 3 year olds, I just don't think the crop is in the same league to be competitive in a race like this yet (if ever). I personally think majmu, Same jurisdiction and Sirens call would give Silver Mountain a clap all day every day but only time will tell :whistle:
Fair enough. I think she would have beaten them all day, every day. Pity the million dollar race is obviously too enticing or she would've been here. Time will tell, as you say.
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