This is why Horseracing is perceived as crooked

rob faux
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jim wrote: I think this cobalt issue is a little complicated in that seeing it occurs naturally there has to be a threshold. question is the current threshold fair and reasonable and what happens if a horse exceeds it very marginally ? my understanding is the positives referred to were marginally above the limits as opposed to the aussie returns which were hundreds of times over any acceptable threshold thereby indicating malicious intent in oz but no intent here. an argument could be made that the local limits are not yet fairly set.
that said I understand the local trainers got off on a technicality that the nhra did not distribute the levels and the penalties to all the trainers so they cannot be held responsible for positives, obviously if this is correct then the mind does indeed boggle and nhra look really incompetent. as is often the case I may have the cat by the balls here so don't take this as gospel

No surprise if the transgression is indefinable!!!!
The problem is that most of the rules of the NHA are undefined and therefore unenforceable.This has been my complaint for ages ..."If you can't measure it, you can't manage (or regulate) it"
It is amazing that the NHA ,which has ,over time ,been strewn with wall to wall legal degrees, has such a weak set of rules.......however that may be more deliberate than we imagine!

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Khumalo and Cobalt are two different problems
Khumalo made a stupid mistake and because he has transgressed before
the penalty is a bit light
Cobalt excess is only due to it being administrated to the horse
The NHRA never issued any info with regard to levels but most if not all
trainers were aware that it was illegal after the Aussie investigation
Yes it is in most vitamin supplements and a horse could test positive
if fed but the amount would have to be huge and the level would be fairly low
I hear that some horses tested 10 to 15 times the limit
Not possible unless injected
But at least it will now stop the smartarses and level the playing field until the next
drug

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rob faux
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When I had a discussion with the NHA,it was very much along the lines of defining perameters so that subjectivity is eliminated!
The example used was,when the road ordinance referred to driving under the influence ,prosecutions were rare! Once a measure (.080 at the time) was introduced,there were hundreds of prosecutions!

Similarly ,until agreement is reached as to a definition of "inconsistent form" or "racing on merit" both rules are unenforcable,but definition,and inevitable enforcement, would go a long way to improving the integrity of racing!

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The 2nd race at Turffontein today another excellent example

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Fully agree with you Frodo about the 2nd race.If you don't listen to tellytrack how was the normal punter to know that Trip Tease injured his foot?(And that was no more than 10 minutes before the race)Not even the bookies knew otherwise Doing It For Dan would not have opened at 5-1.

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durbs wrote: Fully agree with you Frodo about the 2nd race.If you don't listen to tellytrack how was the normal punter to know that Trip Tease injured his foot?(And that was no more than 10 minutes before the race)Not even the bookies knew otherwise Doing It For Dan would not have opened at 5-1.

A lot of bi-pots were already on with the fav as a banker. Was the fav lame or feeling it's legs.

Should a recovering foot injury run on the rock hard going that resembles the Vaal sand?

Consult with the Madame CrystaL Ball, like Sly did and let the cat out of the bag early. :evil:

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Hi guys the Cat was out the bag Goosen told me to post at the time but it was a busy day for me and i forgot , don`t go blaming goose blame me if you need someone to blame.. Remember i don`t punt atm so things that i should post are out my head most days..

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And today's sms to clients

Turffontein today - pressure and nerves for us at the start of race 2....

RACE 2 @ 13H00 -
TRIP TEASE - he is the obvious horse on the card today. He was badly cut into in his last start. He missed some work whilst being treated. But, he should still win today.
DOING IT FOR DAN - he has come on from his last run which he needed. It's all about his behaviour in the stalls/ at the start today. On his day, he is a giant killer.
RACE 9 @ 17h05 -
WOMAN OF WAR - she improved last time and should be in the money again today, place chance.
Regards Louis

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That's all great, but what about the rest of the punting public who did not have access to these updates?

Just to clarify that I am not blaming the trainer - he had to get the horse back on the track at some time and this did look the perfect opportunity.

However as per the title of this thread, incidents like these adds to the perception that horse racing is crooked.

And imo compulsory barrier trials for runners returning from a break (or injury) would go a long way to address the issue.

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In general, most people are tired of being taken for fools in all sports by cheats. Whether it be match fixing, doping........etc. This phenomena is no more prevalent than in the Olympic games this year. A champion sprinter like Justin Gatlin being booed while coming out for his final. Russian swimmer (caught for doping now "clean") being taken on by her peers in the press.
Yet in horse racing all this unacceptable nonsense seems to be "OK" and accepted as the norm. I am putting my hand up, like many others (Barry Irwin comes to mind) and saying I am not going to accept this crap. Our sport needs a facelift and now more than ever something needs to be done.

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Amazing how life is....hehe My partner in my one horse forgot to renew his colours after not recieving any notification from the NHRA. The horse has been nominated for Sat and acceptances are at 11am this morning. Horse not accepted. He renewed his colours immediately and sent through proof of payement to them (11.30 am). I phoned the NHRA to see if they couldnt let it slide due to the situation.......... "No the rules are the rules"

:whistle: :lol:
Fantastic !! I accept the "rules are the rules." I only wish all "rules are the rules" in everything else are enforced to this degree !!

:huh: :lol:
So I'll wait another 3 weeks + for a race, its not as though they were looking for horses to fill the race (7 accepted) :S

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neigh wrote: Amazing how life is....hehe My partner in my one horse forgot to renew his colours after not recieving any notification from the NHRA. The horse has been nominated for Sat and acceptances are at 11am this morning. Horse not accepted. He renewed his colours immediately and sent through proof of payement to them (11.30 am). I phoned the NHRA to see if they couldnt let it slide due to the situation.......... "No the rules are the rules" :whistle: :lol:
Fantastic !! I accept the "rules are the rules." I only wish all "rules are the rules" in everything else are enforced to this degree !! :huh: :lol:
So I'll wait another 3 weeks + for a race, its not as though they were looking for horses to fill the race (7 accepted) :S

Spot on Neigh ,there is a big difference between an administrative rule (which they often overlook anyway, to save races)and rules that affect the vital integrity of the industry .............only those clowns could prioritise the wrong ones!
If they enforced all their rules ,without exception,I would respect their decision in the instance you describe ............but they don't!

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