About Being A Bloodstock Agent..........

I was interested in Noah but went beyond my limit
The record at that time said Buyer Mike de Kock racing and ran in Wilgersbosdrift
colours the breeder
When was it knocked to you?

Elmer

bugger off I thought of Noah 1st

I also bid to $5000 for Winx

Since a few here have issues with the “truth” and with the suspense, why don’t we let Mr Setaro answer some questions and let the Jury decide on what is the truth:

Is it not true that you went to the sale and bid on a horse without a VALID buyers card and/or mandate
Is it not true that the sale was then voided and the horse was about to be re-auctioned?
Is it not true that the underbidder then accepted to purchase the horse at your BID, therefore saving you the embarrassment and the legal repercussions?
Is it not true that that underbidder was FORM Bloodstock for Mike De Kock, who had viewed the horse, rated it and vetted it?
Is it not true that neither the buyers, the owners and everyone else REALLY concerned, have no knowledge or for that matter acknowledge your fantastical story?
Is it not true that if Form Bloodstock and Mike De Kock had not purchased the horse at bid price and the horse had been resold at a lower price, the vendor may have had recourse to hold you legally accountable for the difference? So in fact, the ACTUAL buyers, may or may not have done you a favour?

Importantly,

Is it not true that you only BUY something, that you PAY for, or at minimum are allowed to BUY
Having a horse knocked down to you, when you should not even be bidding can be called a lot of things, BUYING isn’t one of them. Imagine going to buy ALL the horses at auction and not being approved to be bidding - You would buy all the horses, but all the sales would be voided. You could claim all the wins.


The sad thing is that you did pick and purchase some or most of those horses in your list, yet you choose to earn a badge for something that exists in reality - only in your mind.

easy wrote: Since a few here have issues with the “truth” and with the suspense, why don’t we let Mr Setaro answer some questions and let the Jury decide on what is the truth:

Is it not true that you went to the sale and bid on a horse without a VALID buyers card and/or mandate
Is it not true that the sale was then voided and the horse was about to be re-auctioned?
Is it not true that the underbidder then accepted to purchase the horse at your BID, therefore saving you the embarrassment and the legal repercussions?
Is it not true that that underbidder was FORM Bloodstock for Mike De Kock, who had viewed the horse, rated it and vetted it?
Is it not true that neither the buyers, the owners and everyone else REALLY concerned, have no knowledge or for that matter acknowledge your fantastical story?
Is it not true that if Form Bloodstock and Mike De Kock had not purchased the horse at bid price and the horse had been resold at a lower price, the vendor may have had recourse to hold you legally accountable for the difference? So in fact, the ACTUAL buyers, may or may not have done you a favour?

Importantly,

Is it not true that you only BUY something, that you PAY for, or at minimum are allowed to BUY
Having a horse knocked down to you, when you should not even be bidding can be called a lot of things, BUYING isn’t one of them. Imagine going to buy ALL the horses at auction and not being approved to be bidding - You would buy all the horses, but all the sales would be voided. You could claim all the wins.


The sad thing is that you did pick and purchase some or most of those horses in your list, yet you choose to earn a badge for something that exists in reality - only in your mind.

Is it not true that you went to the sale and bid on a horse without a VALID buyers card and/or mandate

No it is not. I was hired to travel to Jhb and attend the auction for the purpose of finding a horse for export to Hong Kong. It is ludicrous to believe that my client would engage my services for 3 days and cover travel and accomodation expenses without a buyer's card for which I was the duly authorized bidding agent. So to clarify; yes I did have a valid buyer’s card, the authenticity of which was never in question.

Is it not true that the sale was then voided and the horse was about to be re-auctioned?

The sale was cancelled by me in person on instruction from my client.

Is it not true that the underbidder then accepted to purchase the horse at your BID, therefore saving you the embarrassment and the legal repercussions?

No it is not. I went to the office to request a cancellation. Mary Slack (the breeder and seller) was called and informed. She was happy to take Noah back and stated she would offer on to Mike De Kock. At some point after this agreement the sale record was changed to reflect Mike De Kock as the new buyer at R325k

Is it not true that that underbidder was FORM Bloodstock for Mike De Kock, who had viewed the horse, rated it and vetted it?

I am not sure who the underbidder was, nor what process they followed prior to bidding. I was informed at the sale that Alistair Gordon was the underbidder but this was unconfirmed and something I had no reason to follow up on

Is it not true that neither the buyers, the owners and everyone else REALLY concerned, have no knowledge or for that matter acknowledge your fantastical story?

I cannot speak for ‘everyone else’ but as stated earlier, this matter was resolved with Mary Slack in person at the office on request of the client. I had spent hours at Mary Slack's yard back and forth profiling, inspecting, filming and photographing Noah to build his profile, including getting a vet check 2nd opinion (Ralph from Summerveld Hospital), as well as discussing him at length with the representative in charge of the yard which included making a verbal agreement (authorised by Mary Slack) that if I bought him and he tested positive for Pyro then the sale could be cancelled (NB. no export if testing positive for pyro and he hadn't been tested yet). Bottom line, it was well known in the yard that I would be bidding, this to the point that Mary's representative from the yard was right behind me during bidding and first to congratulate me after landing the winning bid.

And by the way.. I went for a grilled prawns dinner with your mate Antony that evening at the casino, he knows the story from when it was still fresh and Noah was nothing more than one of over 500 horses on the auction.. the only one that I bid on and landed.

Is it not true that if Form Bloodstock and Mike De Kock had not purchased the horse at bid price and the horse had been resold at a lower price, the vendor may have had recourse to hold you legally accountable for the difference? So in fact, the ACTUAL buyers, may or may not have done you a favour?

No it is not. The client would’ve kept the horse had a problem with cancellation arisen. The issue and reason for cancellation is that I was instructed to go to R300k, and although putting my hand up at R300k, someone else got assigned the bid first and I got slipped with the next bid at R320k. The extra R20k was unintentional but that's how it unfolded and the facts still stand; I found, inspected and approved Noah From Goa for purchase, submitted his workup to my client and he instructed me to buy him which I did.

Every horse listed in my track record is legitimate and verifiable as a hands-on inspected, approved and successful purchase. Your accusations are unsubstantiated slander all the way from England and constitute nothing more than low blows at an attempt to discredit my reputation.

Furthermore, the first horse I bought for you cost R35k and gave you 8 wins and a horse of the year trophy all in under 12 months! You should be thanking me not trying to discredit me. That’s probably more than all the wins you’ve ever had as an owner combined in your lifetime with hundreds of grands and years put into chasing it.

Yoh :ohmy:

www.sportingpost.co.za/2016/01/mailbag-w...ing-partners-sought/

Breeding And Racing Partners Sought
Look at my strike rate and the reward for the future - and I want to go into China

UPDATED ON JANUARY 27, 2016
If I have not had so much continuous and repeated success, I would have packed my bags and left this game. The problem is I keep getting good horses – and if these are fillies, I have to decide on selling them or keeping them for racing and breeding, writes Winston Chow.

Of course I am financially limited to not keeping too many!
The Apache - Gr1 winner. The Apache – Gr1 winner.
I already had that problem when the first runner I ever bred won the Australian Oaks (come back to that later).

She was sold on the cheap because I have numerous and had to sell! That is why I need more people to join forces to keep on breeding and racing.

As my understanding and selection is very different to the usual people and I can back that up with statistics and reasoning.

So that is the basis for writing this to explain why you will benefit racing and breeding with me, I will improve your success and relatively, I spend a lot less!
I need partners too to make a name for myself as I want to go into China with my statistics to bring more people in the game and especially South Africa and whoever breeds with me will be in a position to profit from this in future.

It is going to be a long investment but I intend to be very successful.

If you go to www.horsechinaone.com (the biggest horse racing website in China) and also, Racing Post UK tried the China market for over five years now, cannot even come close and that is because they don’t understand and have the relationship in China.

I wrote numerous posts/blogs about South Africa since last April and the website owner already asked me to contact the highest authority in auction/racing and sales/exports in SA.

Peter Gibson Peter Gibson
I notified Peter Gibson that they want to do a proper interview with him about auction, racing in South Africa and aslo import and exports.

It is all happening as far as I can tell.

You will notice that website is affiliated with Ryder Horse Group as well as Kylin Group and they have numerous posts and news updates. Ryder Horse Group bought over 1000 thoroughbreds from New Zealand last couple of years.

The owner Lang Lin is the owner of Mongolian Khan and that group, together with other Chinese players buy big, Chinese is infact the top foreign buyer at the first premier sale in Australia this year, wait and see what happens in the NZB sale as I write this up today (Karaka starts today 25/1/2016).

They (website and Chinese buyers which I cannot name right now) asked me a lot of information and I am pushing for them to let me buy for them in South Africa. If I can string all these things together, there can only be huge success for all parties in future for South African Horse Racing.
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Success so far…
It is easy to list all the good horses that I have picked just like other people advertising themselves but the difference in my case, is the relative ratio of success (which you will not find elsewhere) and also I can explain the reason behind the picks.

Vengeance Of Rain Vengeance Of Rain
I can tell you my success in getting black type is 20% plus and I have selected or bred Group 1 horses from just about 60 picked unraced horses or self bred horses. So for those who wondered about Vengeance Of Rain, I bought him after his racing results, so does not count.

Check on Formgrids or Arions, all open for you to check me out. On top of all that, I often found value buys, as in horses ignored by others thus cheap!

In South Africa:
Black Type
Markofdistinction

The Apache

Big City Angel

Current Event

Vino Veritas

Heavenisaracehorse

Almost Black Type
Slinky The Cat, eight lengths demolition of King’s Temptress to second after she had got Group form! Unsound horse so cannot produce for BT.

Current Event wins the Gr3 Cape Summer Stayers Handicap Current Event
Shadows in the Sun, raced in the three year old BT races and all so close, problem is that she races on the speed, very disadvantaged at Standside Turffontein.

Retrospectively, a different racing program would have been better but that is racing!

Queen of The Sky probably does not even come close by my standards but Anthony Delpech said black type and he is a friend whose words I trust! So I just mention her as I think I can breed a very good horse from her.

Mark Tarry did advise me to breed her to What A Winter and that is what I did.

Seul Amour this season though and my decision solely!

Imported – 3 horses from New Zealand
Set Me Free is a multi winner albeit at Fairview

Forgive No Forget is Group Class, retired due to being unsound!

The Centenary is Group Class and still racing!

A side story is that I missed out on Noah for Goa!
I had asked a friend, Leon Setaro to bid to R300k on him.

What happened is that Leon thought he bought at R300k but apparently the auctioneer said Leon bought at R320k AFTER THE HAMMER HAD FALLEN because 2 persons simultaneously bid at R300k! What a cock up!

Noah From Goa wins Cape Guineas Noah From Goa wins Cape Guineas
Leon immediately went to cancel the sale while contacting me as that was over my limit. I told Leon I will take the horse at R320k. All this can be confirmed by Hawkins at TBA, or Mary (I hope she remembers).

Mary of course was so miffed off with the sale and refused to reinstate the sale to me and the horse was kept and posted as sold at R325k to Mike De Kock.

I wonder why R300k goes to R320k then R325k?

I am sure TBA will also have video footage to support what I said.

Sporting Post did an article on Mary only a few weeks ago about Noah From Goa.

I also have evidence that I only asked to bid on 2 horses via email to Leon and again shows my strike rate.

The Apache and Big City Angel was a 2 from 2. Vino Veritas was a 1 from 2. Current Event, Dual Asset/ Mac The Dancer was a 3 from 3. Heavenisarachorse and Queen of the Sky were a 2 from 5!

Markofdistinction is worth a mention as she ought to be much more expensive and Current Event is the best Go Deputy so far!

I believe Queen Of The Sky will breed a group horse – judge me in a few years time!

Wait till I tell you what happened in Australia!
Seul Amour Seul Amour
I had bred Queen of The Sky to Seul Amour, I really like this stallion, so cheap and the statistics are better than some of the top sires, on top of that, poor quality mares used!

I was discussing with Brad, the stallion owner and I said, if I had picked I would have got both the existent group horses out of Seul Amour!

I will make another statement for you to judge me in a few years time, I really believe in this as I had used Seul Amour this year and last year on 3 matings to support my reasoning!

The statement is I will breed whatever female Seul Amours to The Apache and my odds of getting a group horse will be way above average, probably 20%, just wait and see!
Now to Australia & New Zealand:
The first ever bred runner I had is Gust of Wind! Winner of the Australian Oaks, winner by 2 lengths and the runner up is Winx, which won or placed in all her group races subsequently, including Group Ones, I think won all five in a row after that second, check racenet! She will probably make Horse of the Year!

Gust Of Wind, a stayer is of course aimed for the Caulfield Cup and Melbourne Cup, 2 million and over 6 million Aussie Dollars respectively!

Gust Of Wind could have come much better than 4th in the Caulfield if she was not closed on the rail and come out as earlier as Mongolian Khan. I think she was close to winning that! As for the Melbourne Cup, she got chopped by Frankie Dettori while at full stride and accelerating! She would have won the Melbourne Cup, serious, please check both Cup races on Youtube!

But do not forget to check how she won her maiden at Scone on youtube! Even more amazing win!
So why I mention all this apart from breeding a group one winner my first try! That is because I want to breed, race and be successful!

Gavin van Zyl Gavin van Zyl
I asked Gavin Van Zyl to find me a partner to ship her over to SA from NZ!

In fact both full sisters! And Gavin got Jason Jago to ride her (to test her out) which of course you won’t feel much on a stayer as a 2 year old, so opportunity lost and I had to sell her cheap at Karaka Premier!

Sister is available to transport to SA in foal to Rip Van Winkle! Check that mating out! I believe group class and possibly world class!
Fastnet Rock Fastnet Rock
To further back me up, I had gone into a foal share deal with Coolmore on Starrystarrynight(dam of Gust of Wind) on Fastnet Rock (200k Aussie a shot!)

Coolmore wants to do it three years in a row subject to the first one come out alright! All on record!

So much to say and so much to squeeze into one writing!

I need racing and breeding partners in my horses, let me know which one you are interested in, I have too many!

Also, look at my strike rate and the reward for the future! Plus of course how undervalued my picks are!

Easy it seems pretty damning.

Perhaps you would like to substantiate some of your allegations like Leon has? His version seems to be holding water a damn side better than yours is at this stage

Mike Hughes

you must be a retard.

Had this "sale" actually stood Noah From Goa would have been overseen by Leon and which ever trainer horses were placed with at the time certainly NOT Mike De Kock

To live of the success achieved by Mike De Kock and his team is so disrespectful it beggars belief.

Never mind there are now 2 stories about who selected the horse. The facts remain that post OFFICIAL sale the horse goes to Mike De Kock and then becomes a star. You can continue to play me and not the ball but I'm confident that sooner or later something official will come of this matter.

This is a claim for glory that holds no water and now it seems there are 2 claimants.

I wish the TBA would step in and answer all questions but one question they cannot answer is what would have happened post sale and to dismiss MDK's input is not acceptable.

Dear Leon

"Furthermore, the first horse I bought for you cost R35k and gave you 8 wins and a horse of the year trophy all in under 12 months! You should be thanking me not trying to discredit me. That’s probably more than all the wins you’ve ever had as an owner combined in your lifetime with hundreds of grands and years put into chasing it."

Not once in private or in public have i denied the above , having said that I was sugar daddy number 4 and yes i paid for the horse. Not once in private or in public have i stated that you don't have an eye for a horse. BUT many times in public and in private i have told you to stop talking about Noah From Goa and not brag about something that is not your doing. Many times in private (not yet public) i have stated and will state your short falls. Some fixable some not the thing is as you move from sugar daddy to sugar daddy eventually the trail of destruction is so VAST it matters not how selective you are because your name is not so kosher by then.

I have not started discrediting you yet. What i have is taken phone calls and dealt with some of the destruction the Leon Setaro Whirlwind caused. As recently as 3 weeks ago your name came up again in private and again the conversation was mostly about YOUR good points and work ethic BUT then the negatives started and quickly we all recalled how things ended.

I don't wish you the best at all, that is because deep down inside i don't want to or need to make money from my beloved sport. I need it to survive. I need it to grow i need new blood in the game. My tune has not changed.

I bought 100% of Lebeoana and as he won races i sold shares sold sold sold to bring people into an experience of a lifetime. Had i been in it for myself i would have kept all of him.

My conscience is clear where you are concerned. So is my budget for setting up a proper syndicate for small owners in sa.....its at - R300k

Leon

And I have just been reminded that Lebeoana would NOT have achieved his success in Kimberley if YOU had your way. You wanted him taken away from Tienie and even sold your share as you refused to engage with Tienie.

This is also why claiming you had anything to do with his success alone is wrong

We chose after 3 wins to stay with Tienie this now allows you to brag about selecting him and highlighting his success. Lucky for you we kept him there.

Joao, you are confusing the issue. In my purchase record I take credit as a bloodstock agent and nothing more ie. sourcing, selection, assessment and purchase of horses. This is completely separate from career management to which you are referring. How Lebeoana's career would've transpired with another trainer in Kimberley or anywhere else we will never know and the same applies to Noah from Goa. Had his sale stood, he would've begun his quarantine and marathon to Hong Kong within weeks.

No you are bragging about success when you had little if any to do with it.

You state you (gave you champion horse)

I state that not accepting you throwing your tits out the oram and keeping the horse with Tienie made him champion. So I'll take the credit

The truth will stand you in good stead and while we chatting please ring a certain trainer he is looking for you.