Flamingo Park Monday

P.A Buster wrote: P6 not 1 ticket , pa paying telephone numbers,last time I donate in the lion park....Thanks but no thanks!!!Id rather go for lunch on a Monday or a good message then donating to the Kimberley lions

Over the Air wrote: Where were all the samaritans when Bloem was closed down?

Zietsman I fail to see why ten reasons are necessary but let me try justify my tagging of that big hole as a worthy of junk status. My comments in no order of relevance/importance:

1. The results. Nowhere do you see reversals of form like you do at the groot gat. Nowhere do you see these reversals of form supported by betting support far more often than the formbook dictates, often in an insultingly short period of bad/good/bad run cycles. Horses in the bad run cycle drift off the board as if the result is known - which it clearly is on occasion.
why didnt you just stop after your 2nd sentence because that i agree with but the rest is thumbsucked and that is nowhere near the truth, its just a shot in the dark by you

2. The cripples - watch some of those poor horses go down on any Monday. The worst in the country by the distance
yes, alot of unsound horses but what did you expect when you must compete for such small stakes and where owners pay almost half the big trainers in other centres charge. We have 42 horses in our stable and only 9 i can honestly say is 100% sound. Thats been like that forever, if the horse is good but unsound he normally finds his way to kimberley or if he is 100% sound they normally useless.but lots of the trainers have proofed that we can achieve something with these horses that the bigger centres push out.

3. The positives - pound for pound the undisputed doping capital of South Africa when looking at numbers of trainers vs confirmed positives - could explain number 1.
bullshit , go check in the last 2 years , 11 cases in natal , 8 in gauteng , 5 in capetown, 4 in eastern cape and only 2 in kimberley. Again thumbsucked rubbish

4. The neglect cases - Shameful and ongoing. To rub salt in the wounds, a guilty former champion trainer gets the job as track manager as reward. I am told by those who have raced there that champion trainers are prepared to do deals on horses - no pay split stakes. Explains points 1 -4
again ungrounded rubbish statement, get the job as track manager as reward!!!!! You smoking something seriously. And why still hammering the man, he isnt a trainer anymore , he paid his price and he is a brilliant track manager, he is the best i seen in kimberley from the peter miller days. And he is approachable and understand what trainers want . Im telling you in my opinion Japie is doing a fantastic job with what he have.
Deals been every centre forever, ALL CENTRES, i know of graded race winners thats been trained on a deals by champion trainers in big centres, now you say its only the champion trainers in kimberley that do deals!!!! .i know of atleast 5 owners that have 50+ horses each that do deals with trainers. Its every owner/trainer choice how they want to do business.

5. The class of horse - nothing worse in the country, the ultimate last chance saloon.
surely , but dont they also deserve a chance???

6. The surface - an eyesore. From all accounts a shadow of its former glory in Millers days now has duststorms when horses run and 1 mm of rain causes an abandonment. I have no doubt it is no better than the Vaal sand and should be shut. The bleeding hearts can make space at the vaal and half stakes races held on grass on Mondays
its a sandtrack and its older than you , dont understand the apparent eyesore, its been sand since the start.
And its wayyyyyy better than vaal sand track ever been. The vaal sand track sounded like a gravelroad when horses came past, anybody saying vaal sand was better have never raced or seen or felt the kimberley track.

7. The tote turnover - Poor. Monday meetings from Fairview are always better supported with far bigger pools. There is no clearer indicator that punters are uninterested and/or distrustful of the form there
sure, but how much is done to try and boost it????

8. The lack of regulation - the centre is so surplus to requirements that the Jockey club dont even have a permanent stipe stationed there. The costs cannot be justified apparently. This helps explain points 1 -4
would also love to see a permant stipe

9. The lack of a Horse care unit - the centre with the slowest horses and most chuck outs from other centres ( many due to soundness ) does not have one.
never been one in all the years , now apparently urgently needed, i dont buy that

10. The logistics - running the show from Joburg in terms of Jockeys and raceday officials staff makes no sense. 5 hours in a bus what do we need this crap for.
they doing it for 40+ years and now its a problem, because you dont need this crap hahahaha
11. I dont like the dump and more importantly in waiting for your response, unlike you I HAVE NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE IN WANTING THE PLACE TO CLOSE.
i also dont like the dump that you regard as facts , most is just your personal opinions not based on facts but hearsay and thumbsucking
BUT WHAT GOT MY BLOOD BOIL IS THIS LAST SENTENCE.... unlike you I HAVE NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE IN WANTING THE PLACE TO CLOSE.......
YOU REALLY MUST BE HOPEFULLY JOKING BY ACUSING ME OF HAVING A ULTERIOR MOTIVE IN WANTING THE PLACE TO CLOSE.
Do you perhaps mind telling me who you are in real life? ( i doubt i will get an answer)

easy wrote: One thing I would change about Kimberley though.....well a few things


1: R10 fine per kilometre that a horse is based away from Kimberley
2: Build more stables
3: Force / Entice more local trainers
4: race there 3 times a week with a local jockey colony derived from National failures
5: full time stipe ( tea total though)
6: invest in the track