These horses love Starbucks......

Bob Brogan wrote: Cheers for the reply, but we can only go on what has been reported in the NHRA reports!

What next, will you guys take the nhra to a hgher court to clear your name?

mr hawaii wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote: Cheers for the reply, but we can only go on what has been reported in the NHRA reports!

What next, will you guys take the nhra to a hgher court to clear your name?

That I'm afraid is the problem with Racing Journalists... They should be the ones that call trainers and stipes and and give background to the story rather than just printing a press release... In my days at Racing Digest I attended a few inquiries ... I also went to a magistrate court for a case involving a trainer... that was the norm in those days... now its just copy paste(or don't print if the story can damage racing) - I exclude Sporting Post as they do dig but that digging is regarded as an attack on Racing instead of good journalism by the establishment ... With racing falling out of the general media limelight the rug has gotten very big and the broom even bigger!

Bob Brogan wrote:

mr hawaii wrote:

Bob Brogan wrote: Cheers for the reply, but we can only go on what has been reported in the NHRA reports!

What next, will you guys take the nhra to a hgher court to clear your name?

That I'm afraid is the problem with Racing Journalists... They should be the ones that call trainers and stipes and and give background to the story rather than just printing a press release... In my days at Racing Digest I attended a few inquiries ... I also went to a magistrate court for a case involving a trainer... that was the norm in those days... now its just copy paste(or don't print if the story can damage racing) - I exclude Sporting Post as they do dig but that digging is regarded as an attack on Racing instead of good journalism by the establishment ... With racing falling out of the general media limelight the rug has gotten very big and the broom even bigger!

NHRA press release

Dave Scott wrote: Thank you for the post Mr Denysschen and the clarification it would certainly appears you have been treated unfairly by both the forum and more importantly by the powers that be .

Dean321 wrote: Pardon my ignorance. To me something does not seem right and would love to hear the trainers version here.

It just seems suicide for him to have purposely put the above ingredient in all those horses.

pirates wrote: before you say and i quote that ALL the doping offences happen in the weaker centres GO CHECK UP ON HOW MANY TOP TRAINERS have had multiple doping offences ,,trainers who have recently won durban julys and trainers who have won the trainers titles getting caught and fined 120k ...check your facts before you go off on a tangent and check that your hometown heroes are clean ..and i got news for you another ex champions doping offences will also be hitting the press shortly

pirates wrote: maybe bob can put up the pigjuice and cobalt cases just to refresh peoples memories that doping doesnt just occur in so called weaker centres and desperate trainers ..never read so much shit..also the top ten trainer this season who got a600k fine while you at it

G Denysschen wrote: Its amazing how everyone is all of a sudden a so called expert on "doping" offenses when they in fact know noting about the background of this case

The only one who speaks any sense or has made a logical comment is Dean321.

Most disappointing Bob is some of your comments directed directly at the trainer such as ban him when you profess to have in depth knowledge of the racing industry but are actually showing your complete ignorance of the scenario and not taking any time to think about this logically

As Dean321 has said does anyone really believe that a trainer in his right mind would purposely give horses caffeine all in this limited period of time. As stated it would be suicide. There is absolutely no evidence of caffeine having any performance enhancing attributes on a racehorse especially in such small quantities so why would a trainer even bother doing it.

All the conspiracy theorists can believe what they like but the fact is that there was a contamination of the horse feed which comes from one specific supplier who I will not name. The authorities have done random out of racing testing of some other trainers using the same feed supplier and they got positive results for caffeine as well. What will happen as a result of that I cant say as its in the authorities hands.The feed supplier is aware of the problem but ultimately its not their issue as the trainer is deemed the one responsible for the horses care even if they are totally unaware that this banned substance was in the food source that they trusted.

You would have thought that the authorities may have taken these circumstances into account but clearly they happy to perform witch hunts on soft targets in the name of doing their jobs when there are in fact far more serious offences taking place.

Its fully accepted that Caffeine is a banned substance under NHRA rules which is understandable but it has in no way been purposely administered or done with sinister intent.

Is the trainer guilty of training the horses that tested positive for caffeine, the answer is obviously YES

Is the trainer guilty of purposefully administering the substance with sinister intent, the answer is unequivocally NO !

I am one of the registered owners of two of the horses found positive and can categorically state there was nothing untoward that took place here. There was no big betting moves or any large stakes wagered so nothing points towards any unlawful gain. I am giving the facts, whether all the mudslingers who hide behind pseudonyms choose to believe them or not is entirely their choice

This is just a very unfortunate situation which has unfairly landed in the lap of of upstanding and honest trainer.

Muhtiman wrote: ....glad that clears that up.....when I first read this.... that a relatively small string had so many positives I thought that no one could be that obtuse to try something like this intentionally....was not thinking of Starbucks.....but Red Bull gives them wings.....the horse feed manufacturer must have a side line energy drinks business or this new caffeine craze in hair shampoo.... :blink: