Fraud in the Tote

Just a matter of interest you can manipulate the Tote without cancelling a ticket. You just have to pick the right race with certain factors

The place pool would have had to be bigger than the win,swinger,exacta and trifecta pools for a cancellation of tickets to cause a horses odds to treble, seeing that it ended up 12k after the "cancellation" any idea what the pool was when showing 80c??

Titch wrote: The place pool would have had to be bigger than the win,swinger,exacta and trifecta pools for a cancellation of tickets to cause a horses odds to treble, seeing that it ended up 12k after the "cancellation" any idea what the pool was when showing 80c??

This may not have been a cancellation, but this type of manipulation happens so often on these smaller meetings.

I suspect it is due to people taking open bets on bookies for places and then getting paid out at the higher place dividend.

tote manipulation through cancellation of tickets is a very old story - a few "in" people are doing it

I reported a high profile teletrack employee about 20 years ago - he was cancelling R4000 place tickets seconds before the off with the whole gang urging him on and laughing about it(in Randburg tatts)) Absolutely nothing happened and he's is probably still doing it today.

Thieves. Guess who supports the open bet and hasn't had a tote bet in 2 decades - only wish I could get thousands more doing it.

fingers wrote: tote manipulation through cancellation of tickets is a very old story - a few "in" people are doing it

I reported a high profile teletrack employee about 20 years ago - he was cancelling R4000 place tickets seconds before the off with the whole gang urging him on and laughing about it(in Randburg tatts)) Absolutely nothing happened and he's is probably still doing it today.

Thieves. Guess who supports the open bet and hasn't had a tote bet in 2 decades - only wish I could get thousands more doing it.

Whats worse ,is, rumour has it that those bets are often taken with "vouchers"in the first instance,so the benefit is double!

Over the Air wrote: I remember years ago Empress club was involved in a manipulation of tote places. The horse was something like 4/10 and won easily paying R1-30 a win. The catch was her place payout, due to a large bet cancelled at the jump she returned something like R5-00 a place.

Facts are inaccurate due to a fading memory but the gist of the story is sound

The guy in questions name was Peter - I was working for a bookie then and it happened at the Germiston tote - i think today there are rules in place to cancel large bets?

jimbo wrote: The guy in questions name was Peter - I was working for a bookie then and it happened at the Germiston tote - i think today there are rules in place to cancel large bets?

Correct there is...

Titch wrote:

jimbo wrote: The guy in questions name was Peter - I was working for a bookie then and it happened at the Germiston tote - i think today there are rules in place to cancel large bets?

Correct there is...

.....but rules are easily bent.....just like the subject is racing bent.....this is one of the area's of mass manipulation....oops I meant R200 not R2000....sorry I have the wrong number but cancel this....and in the meantime let me find my book to see which horse....race is closed....yes thanks I'll take a voucher..... :oops:

....the smaller the pools the easier it is to manipulate...been in bookie/totes and have seen this happen....these okes also place large win bets to alter the TF at the jump because an exotic payout is bigger when tickets on a late scratching are moved to a new but "false" favourite..... :whistle:

Sorry ,the talk of rules in local racing is laughable -I have pages of evidence of the failure of NHA rules -how many people know there is ,apart from tote rules,an NHA rule relating to the manipulation of tote favourites
So,I have personally sat in a tote where a person running in a P6 "created" a tote favourite to suit in the last leg!
I also know that that same tote machine can cancel tickets for up to 30 seconds after the start of a race -it's intended to cater for errors and omissions but can be abused!!!!(hypothetically ,a horse that is handicapped a certainty but has a history of standing in the stalls.......it was backed heavily on the tote knowing there was 30 seconds to cancel if it didn't jump)
So let's not rely too much on rules.

Every day, in every way, you are nuts to play the tote.

What if you do make a mistake?

Happily, us in the know can leave the urine smelling tote to the cannon fodder who can try to beat the 25% take out. Good luck with that.

Mini Tycoon wrote: Every day, in every way, you are nuts to play the tote.

What if you do make a mistake?

Happily, us in the know can leave the urine smelling tote to the cannon fodder who can try to beat the 25% take out. Good luck with that.

Same like Bookmaker Percentages....

Mini Tycoon wrote: Every day, in every way, you are nuts to play the tote.

What if you do make a mistake?

Happily, us in the know can leave the urine smelling tote to the cannon fodder who can try to beat the 25% take out. Good luck with that.

.....you okes in the know.... will have very little to bet on when the local tote eventually does fail because of the high take out....smelly urinals and the cannon fodder that has very little option and those that manipulate the tote system.....not saying it's your fault.....the okes that run the tote..... are causing the likes of you..... the bookie supporters to gloat..... :S

.....talking about mistakes....I know no bookie that would refund or alter a bet if I made a mistake.... :lol: