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Re: Greyville Sat 29th + 30th
7 years 10 months ago
wud've preferred aldo on krambambuli
seems to get on well but Bernard more than capable.
Captain America distance suited to the tee. don't like the fact marinaresco is in this
race again. backed him strong in the July and I think this is pushing the horse abit after a gruelling race like the July.
seems to get on well but Bernard more than capable.
Captain America distance suited to the tee. don't like the fact marinaresco is in this
race again. backed him strong in the July and I think this is pushing the horse abit after a gruelling race like the July.
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Corne Orffer is optimistic that Captain America can follow up his Rising Sun Gold Challenge win in Saturday’s World Sports Betting Champions Cup and he sees no problem with the extra furlong despite the evidence of the Sun Met.
In that 2 000m Kenilworth race Captain America made the running but started to hang to the right from over 400m out as if his stamina was coming to the end of its tether.
But Orffer, the one man really in a position to know, disagrees and explains: “I wish I could have ridden the Met over again because I feel he would have been closer had I let him go to the outside rail in the straight rather than trying to keep him in.
“Every now and again he has a tendency to hang to the right. He did it with me in the Queen’s Plate too.”
But was it lack of stamina? “No,” Orffer is adamant. “He was loving it out in front. He wasn’t using himself up, he was just cruising along and when Anton Marcus on Legal Eagle moved up my horse came right back at him. Indeed I felt he was looking for something to run with.
“He doesn’t have to be in front either. He is a free-striding horse, a galloper, and the important thing is not to get him stuck in behind horses. You need to sit second or somewhere where he is capable of using his action.
“In the Gold Challenge he took off in the straight and shot up like an arrow. The 1 800m will be no problem to him.”
But what about the draw, ten out of 12? Isn’t that going to pose problems? Orffer shakes his head and grins. “In fact I’m ecstatic about that. I was very happy about his ten draw in the Met too because with what would be regarded as a semi-bad draw you have got time to play around.
“In the Drill Hall I was drawn four, I missed the break by a fraction and I was swamped. I was then stuck in a pocket and I couldn’t get out. Last time he was also drawn ten, he jumped nicely and I could choose my own time to get across.”
Does he see any dangers beyond Marinaresco? “I would say Bela-Bela. She is top of the game among the fillies and you’ve got to respect her on the way she won last time. I make the top three Captain America, Marinaresco and her.”
In that 2 000m Kenilworth race Captain America made the running but started to hang to the right from over 400m out as if his stamina was coming to the end of its tether.
But Orffer, the one man really in a position to know, disagrees and explains: “I wish I could have ridden the Met over again because I feel he would have been closer had I let him go to the outside rail in the straight rather than trying to keep him in.
“Every now and again he has a tendency to hang to the right. He did it with me in the Queen’s Plate too.”
But was it lack of stamina? “No,” Orffer is adamant. “He was loving it out in front. He wasn’t using himself up, he was just cruising along and when Anton Marcus on Legal Eagle moved up my horse came right back at him. Indeed I felt he was looking for something to run with.
“He doesn’t have to be in front either. He is a free-striding horse, a galloper, and the important thing is not to get him stuck in behind horses. You need to sit second or somewhere where he is capable of using his action.
“In the Gold Challenge he took off in the straight and shot up like an arrow. The 1 800m will be no problem to him.”
But what about the draw, ten out of 12? Isn’t that going to pose problems? Orffer shakes his head and grins. “In fact I’m ecstatic about that. I was very happy about his ten draw in the Met too because with what would be regarded as a semi-bad draw you have got time to play around.
“In the Drill Hall I was drawn four, I missed the break by a fraction and I was swamped. I was then stuck in a pocket and I couldn’t get out. Last time he was also drawn ten, he jumped nicely and I could choose my own time to get across.”
Does he see any dangers beyond Marinaresco? “I would say Bela-Bela. She is top of the game among the fillies and you’ve got to respect her on the way she won last time. I make the top three Captain America, Marinaresco and her.”
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Fancy another day at the races just confirming flights etc
Should be great
Should be great
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Re: Greyville Sat 29th + 30th
7 years 10 months agoDC wrote: wud've preferred aldo on krambambuli
seems to get on well but Bernard more than capable.
Captain America distance suited to the tee. don't like the fact marinaresco is in this
race again. backed him strong in the July and I think this is pushing the horse abit after a gruelling race like the July.
Has any horse won the July and the Champions Cup in the same year.
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Re: Greyville Sat 29th + 30th
7 years 10 months agoForm Fundi wrote:DC wrote: wud've preferred aldo on krambambuli
seems to get on well but Bernard more than capable.
Captain America distance suited to the tee. don't like the fact marinaresco is in this
race again. backed him strong in the July and I think this is pushing the horse abit after a gruelling race like the July.
Has any horse won the July and the Champions Cup in the same year.
Last horse to do it was El Picha in 2000 so it will not be easy for Marinaresco. However, if he's recovered from his amazing July win then I have no doubt that he will win. If he hasn't, then I hope either the Big Captain or Bela wins it. All deserving IMO but obviously I'll be cheering for Marinaresco.
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7 years 10 months agoDave Scott wrote: Fancy another day at the races just confirming flights etc
Should be great
Done and on the way and staying in Umhalanga ( one of my fav places )
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7 years 10 months agoBob Brogan wrote: Corne Orffer is optimistic that Captain America can follow up his Rising Sun Gold Challenge win in Saturday’s World Sports Betting Champions Cup and he sees no problem with the extra furlong despite the evidence of the Sun Met.
In that 2 000m Kenilworth race Captain America made the running but started to hang to the right from over 400m out as if his stamina was coming to the end of its tether.
But Orffer, the one man really in a position to know, disagrees and explains: “I wish I could have ridden the Met over again because I feel he would have been closer had I let him go to the outside rail in the straight rather than trying to keep him in.
“Every now and again he has a tendency to hang to the right. He did it with me in the Queen’s Plate too.”
But was it lack of stamina? “No,” Orffer is adamant. “He was loving it out in front. He wasn’t using himself up, he was just cruising along and when Anton Marcus on Legal Eagle moved up my horse came right back at him. Indeed I felt he was looking for something to run with.
“He doesn’t have to be in front either. He is a free-striding horse, a galloper, and the important thing is not to get him stuck in behind horses. You need to sit second or somewhere where he is capable of using his action.
“In the Gold Challenge he took off in the straight and shot up like an arrow. The 1 800m will be no problem to him.”
But what about the draw, ten out of 12? Isn’t that going to pose problems? Orffer shakes his head and grins. “In fact I’m ecstatic about that. I was very happy about his ten draw in the Met too because with what would be regarded as a semi-bad draw you have got time to play around.
“In the Drill Hall I was drawn four, I missed the break by a fraction and I was swamped. I was then stuck in a pocket and I couldn’t get out. Last time he was also drawn ten, he jumped nicely and I could choose my own time to get across.”
Does he see any dangers beyond Marinaresco? “I would say Bela-Bela. She is top of the game among the fillies and you’ve got to respect her on the way she won last time. I make the top three Captain America, Marinaresco and her.”
I really hope Mr Orffer can pull this one off ..... if he does, I should finish in the top 3 in the Charity Turf
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Re: Greyville Sat 29th + 30th
7 years 10 months agoDave Scott wrote:Dave Scott wrote: Fancy another day at the races just confirming flights etc
Should be great
Done and on the way and staying in Umhalanga ( one of my fav places )
top top class,
was there for the july, saw gavin lerena and Candice bass robinson strolling about.
was a very festive atmosphere for the big july weekend
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7 years 10 months agoDC wrote:Dave Scott wrote:Dave Scott wrote: Fancy another day at the races just confirming flights etc
Should be great
Done and on the way and staying in Umhalanga ( one of my fav places )
top top class,
was there for the july, saw gavin lerena and Candice bass robinson strolling about.
was a very festive atmosphere for the big july weekend
DC I was the ugly bald oke with him LOL... we were on our way for a walk on the prominade

Give everything but up!
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7 years 10 months agoTitch wrote:DC wrote:Dave Scott wrote:Dave Scott wrote: Fancy another day at the races just confirming flights etc
Should be great
Done and on the way and staying in Umhalanga ( one of my fav places )
top top class,
was there for the july, saw gavin lerena and Candice bass robinson strolling about.
was a very festive atmosphere for the big july weekend
DC I was the ugly bald oke with him LOL... we were on our way for a walk on the prominade
ooooooh lol, we where wondering who that guy was?
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Re: Greyville Sat 29th + Sun 30th
7 years 10 months ago
What was Marinaresco's 400 to finish in the July?
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