Summerveld Grooms Strike
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
In this situation who does one 'feel' sympathetic towards... grooms? trainers? owners? HORSES? Punters?
Definitely NOT LW or LB or Operators...no matter what they creaming it!
Definitely NOT LW or LB or Operators...no matter what they creaming it!
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months agoElmo wrote: "Protected And Unprotected Strikes. There is a broad distinction between strikes that comply with section 64 of the LRA and those that do not. ... An unprotected strike constitutes a breach of contract for which the employees may be dismissed, interdicted or sued for compensation by the employer."
The question I have is whether this a protected or unprotected strike?Employees should have referred this matter either to the CCMA or relevant bargaining council for resolution prior to embarking on a strike if not the second part of the definition[unprotected strike] should kick in immediately.
Elmo it is one thing having said laws, however the enforceability of said laws is the issue. This is the crisis in the country at the moment. Apply the law and dismiss the lot of the strikers embarking on such unprotected strike and one opens themselves up a can of worms.
Although I am a firm believer in the fact that if the legislature deemed it necessary to draft and enact such legislation then why is it not enforced? However practically, it is difficult to produce, train and earn the trust of a few hundred if not thousand grooms overnight.
Its a catch 22 that in South Africa, the mentality is rather to down tools, textbooks and the like and thus hold whatever association and/or institution to ransom as the current era deem themselves irreplaceable. The blue print has been set nationally that one may continue to strike (with little to no consequences) until said demands are obtained.
The industry itself in my opinion is not solely to blame, it is the blue print that government for years has set. The possibly violent few may end up being dismissed for their roles in the unprotected strikes, however the vast majority will keep their jobs on improved terms which in the end is merely the same as applying a plaster to a gun shot wound, content for now until things boil over again. Thus we have the same issues for years as a clear line in the sand is not drawn. Things will continue until said line is drawn and until an industry or government for that matter decides to set an example.
My point therefore being is that it is adorable having the best constitution and some decent legislation for a democracy as young as ours however applying such is where the authorities are quite content on applying that self same plaster uniformly and thus encountering the self same issues time and time again.
My thoughts, albeit somewhat bias, but the naive few that think they are stupid for striking are missing the bigger picture, time and time again the authorities give in and whats going to change? Nothing. Until things like bargaining councils are used, people have respect for the law and the relevant channels that concerns ought to be raised we will continue to have these issues. This however is a two-way street, I am of the opinion that people resort to downing tools as well as textbooks and the likes because often these concerns, although raised through the correct channels more often then not fall on deaf ears.
In order for the law to take its course the middle to upper channel ought to wake up and be proactive otherwise I am afraid that there will not be a long term amicable future for racing as well as industry as a whole because like i said, the blue print has long been set.
Although I am a firm believer in the fact that if the legislature deemed it necessary to draft and enact such legislation then why is it not enforced? However practically, it is difficult to produce, train and earn the trust of a few hundred if not thousand grooms overnight.
Its a catch 22 that in South Africa, the mentality is rather to down tools, textbooks and the like and thus hold whatever association and/or institution to ransom as the current era deem themselves irreplaceable. The blue print has been set nationally that one may continue to strike (with little to no consequences) until said demands are obtained.
The industry itself in my opinion is not solely to blame, it is the blue print that government for years has set. The possibly violent few may end up being dismissed for their roles in the unprotected strikes, however the vast majority will keep their jobs on improved terms which in the end is merely the same as applying a plaster to a gun shot wound, content for now until things boil over again. Thus we have the same issues for years as a clear line in the sand is not drawn. Things will continue until said line is drawn and until an industry or government for that matter decides to set an example.
My point therefore being is that it is adorable having the best constitution and some decent legislation for a democracy as young as ours however applying such is where the authorities are quite content on applying that self same plaster uniformly and thus encountering the self same issues time and time again.
My thoughts, albeit somewhat bias, but the naive few that think they are stupid for striking are missing the bigger picture, time and time again the authorities give in and whats going to change? Nothing. Until things like bargaining councils are used, people have respect for the law and the relevant channels that concerns ought to be raised we will continue to have these issues. This however is a two-way street, I am of the opinion that people resort to downing tools as well as textbooks and the likes because often these concerns, although raised through the correct channels more often then not fall on deaf ears.
In order for the law to take its course the middle to upper channel ought to wake up and be proactive otherwise I am afraid that there will not be a long term amicable future for racing as well as industry as a whole because like i said, the blue print has long been set.
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months agoBob Brogan wrote: I remember watching sweatshop documentaries years ago, clothing made in China, India ....
Phumalela makes approximately R1,5 billion net profit. Grooms earn R770 per week. Something is drastically wrong/ unfair with this business model. Irrespective if grooms are not directly employed by Phumalela. Imo Phumalela is screwing everybody, if they increase the owners stakes, owners pay the trainers a slightly higher fee thereby enabling the trainer to pay the groom a better salary.
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6 years 11 months ago
Tero that is a great observation and its time for reflection.
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
Was chatting to an up country stable employee...intimidation was rife. Apparently last night the warning went out that this was going to happen.
Also got told to watch their actions on Saturday morning when the horses are going to be loaded onto the floats..NO trucks in or out.
I PRAY THIS IS NOT TRUE OR GOING TO HAPPEN! We will be the laughing stock throughout the racing world!
I say again that the operators need to get on board and subsidise these goons (insert grooms if they are truly qualified for that job description)...
one third operator ...two thirds trainers.......
Also got told to watch their actions on Saturday morning when the horses are going to be loaded onto the floats..NO trucks in or out.
I PRAY THIS IS NOT TRUE OR GOING TO HAPPEN! We will be the laughing stock throughout the racing world!
I say again that the operators need to get on board and subsidise these goons (insert grooms if they are truly qualified for that job description)...
one third operator ...two thirds trainers.......
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
On the bright side strike or no strike the Casino will be open all day Saturday :whistle:
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
10 years ago, the Software Development Skillset in South Africa came at a premium. The average cost of a skilled South African employee was +-R40000pm. Banks employed thousands of these individuals....
It then got to a stage where it made absolutely no sense to business. South Africans wanted MORE, but business was gasping for air.
Eventually, India came in and delivered the same skills for R12000pm. And these guys worked overtime without charge. Some 4000 South Africans were retrenched from on of our largest banks in SA. Toi Toi'ing didn't help unfortunately.
I relay this story, with the point that, nobody is indispensable. Its our culture to WANT WANT WANT! Yet there are nations out there, who will travel across the world to accept a fraction of what we have. And deliver three times the service.
This isn't about conditions, this is about a cultural mindset that we have as South Africans. We will ALWAYS want, want, want! Until we have nothing left.
It then got to a stage where it made absolutely no sense to business. South Africans wanted MORE, but business was gasping for air.
Eventually, India came in and delivered the same skills for R12000pm. And these guys worked overtime without charge. Some 4000 South Africans were retrenched from on of our largest banks in SA. Toi Toi'ing didn't help unfortunately.
I relay this story, with the point that, nobody is indispensable. Its our culture to WANT WANT WANT! Yet there are nations out there, who will travel across the world to accept a fraction of what we have. And deliver three times the service.
This isn't about conditions, this is about a cultural mindset that we have as South Africans. We will ALWAYS want, want, want! Until we have nothing left.
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
i prefer putting into perspective by guessing what their working conditions were,their hours and what their tasks entailed and the pittance they earned for all those years
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
Tero
In principle you make good points.
However, you have it wrong with the figure of R1,5 Billion. This is turnover and not nett profits.
U are correct in that Stakes Increases are vital. But, during these tough times other angles can easily be considered too, eg no more stable rent, appearance money for runners and Operators employing their own vets, resulting in reasonable rates to Owners.
Methinks that the mood out there indicates that something radical is expected to happen in SA Racing, acrross the board .... and quite soon.
Overall, reducing costs is equally as important to Owners as Stakes increases.
In principle you make good points.
However, you have it wrong with the figure of R1,5 Billion. This is turnover and not nett profits.
U are correct in that Stakes Increases are vital. But, during these tough times other angles can easily be considered too, eg no more stable rent, appearance money for runners and Operators employing their own vets, resulting in reasonable rates to Owners.
Methinks that the mood out there indicates that something radical is expected to happen in SA Racing, acrross the board .... and quite soon.
Overall, reducing costs is equally as important to Owners as Stakes increases.
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
Louisg
Thanks for informing me about Phumelela net revenue is R1,5 billion and not their net profit.
You make some good points.
Thanks for informing me about Phumelela net revenue is R1,5 billion and not their net profit.
You make some good points.
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
News reports suggest that that the strike is over (for now).
Grooms shop steward, Owen Maduna, said the grooms had agreed to go back to work today (Thursday) and would finalise the wage demands at a meeting with the trainers after the July (probably on Tuesday), despite refusing to sign the wage agreement. The grooms are asking for R25 per hour while the trainers offered R20 per hour for a 40 hour week (R3500 pm).
Grooms shop steward, Owen Maduna, said the grooms had agreed to go back to work today (Thursday) and would finalise the wage demands at a meeting with the trainers after the July (probably on Tuesday), despite refusing to sign the wage agreement. The grooms are asking for R25 per hour while the trainers offered R20 per hour for a 40 hour week (R3500 pm).
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Re: Summerveld Grooms Strike
6 years 11 months ago
Sad state that “some” grooms need to strike to get 20 bucks an hour
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