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....sorry could not stay away from this....even better than the punt after the jump....TAB left several races at Belmont and Toowoomba wide open after races were run earlier today....but judging from the payouts not many made hay in this glorious sunshine of a mistake....I too did not go overboard as I thought that there would be a nil and void on the bets struck ....but no they painstakingly combed through each race giving even belated bets the all clear.....why .....because many okes fast asleep and those that did bet with the result evident were adding dosh to the pools for them to take their rake....a win win...thanks TAB a very nice incentive for the wide awake....:woohoo:

Even the simplest of things they don't seem to do right.Wrong results go all clear,forget to co-mingle into pools,wrong tote favorites and now forget to close a race after the start,the list just goes on.
I hope we not going to have Tabgold come on here again to give away something or other if we tell them how good their website is.
I wonder if it is really human error or some Tote employees doing this on purpose for their own gain.
I guess we will never find out as I can guarantee you they will not look into this incident.

... ' clever '. Taking bets after the result is known which results in legitimate and unsuspecting punters receiving reduced dividends doesn't make you clever - it makes you a thief. You even tried to rationalise by saying you didn't go overboard.

Suppose you also think that if you are walking along and see somebody's handbag lying open and unattended, it's ok if you only take some of the money.

....I really believed that they would declare nil and void which has been the norm....and played some small bets after the result was known and made a few incorrect bets merely to test the system....was very surprised that they paid out though....this unusual payout merely demonstrates that they have no consistency and no clue.... and my post was basically me being sarcastic...there is no joy in getting the result right when the numbers are already in the frame....and yes those punters that were stiffed have a legitimate gripe that pay outs were somewhat skewered the tote and people that run it are to blame...a full audit must be carried out on how this ....glitch... was allowed to happen and why the results were then not declared nil and void.....:huh:

ICE MACHINE wrote: ...

Suppose you also think that if you are walking along and see somebody's handbag lying open and unattended, it's ok if you only take some of the money.

....no I'm the type of guy that will take the whole bag and then try to trace the owner through social media driver licence ID name on CC.... then once found them return the bag but add much more money....
when the person receives the bag ask if everything is there....should they not remark that they have more cash ....then call them back and remind them what type of people they are.....:ohmy:

If this is not a wind-up from Muhti then the integrity of the tote is shot.

Like many others I have often felt that fiddling takes place. This confirms it. How many times have we not seen insanely low payouts on horses. I now know why.

Incompetent imbeciles. Anyone who supports the tote needs their head read.

....but for me the open bet is even a bigger evil than a f@cked @p tote...and this proves manipulation whether accidental or on purpose.....integrity is not a word to be associated with any of the divisions of the operator.... :oops:

ICE MACHINE wrote: ... ' clever '. Taking bets after the result is known which results in legitimate and unsuspecting punters receiving reduced dividends doesn't make you clever - it makes you a thief. You even tried to rationalise by saying you didn't go overboard.
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Yes. Pick the name of someone you respect in racing. Now imagine the printout identifies them as undoubtedly placing bets after they knew the result. Are they still on your list of respected people, or now the list of common criminals with no integrity? Integrity is how you behave when you know no one is watching.

Tony maybe we missing the real point here. Sure, someone taking bets after the event has finished will not win them any honesty awards, that I concede. However this guy then goes public and exposes the integrity of the tote of being seriously suspect. We now have a confirmed case of races staying open after the result has been posted, nevermind while still in running.

Suddenly the number of races where dividends were seriously changed after the off make sense
Suddenly the regular changing of tote favourites after the off makes sense
Suddenly all that crap a few years ago involving Mysterious Australian punting syndicates are exposed for the hogwash that they were
Suddenly the absurdly low tote payouts on longer priced winning horses makes sense
Suddenly you are rightfully entitled to question every tote result because there are no checks and balances.

Because the system does not have credibility any more. End of.

A few years back there was a lunatic called AndreWest on this forum. He was clearly some type of IT fundi and way back then he was calling for some type of audit and saying that there was a way to determine the time that the bets were struck. I cant remember what his ideas were I am no computer geek. Based on all the fuss, Phumelela released a statement saying it was impossible to bet into a race after the off time and had some type of certificate to back their claims up. Bob may be able to assist in finding that thread.

This is massive and I am sending a copy of this thread to the Gambling Board. Heads need to roll.

Racing is definitively under the whip and it seems like they just can't straighten up.

Speaking for myself, I would much rather use a bookmaker that the tote. I am under the impression that my bookmaker will do more to keep me happy.

Rightly or wrongly, I get the same feeling of dread having to call the tote about a deposit gone wrong that I get if I have to call Telkom. It's a sinking feeling, you might know it.

At the moment I don't think that there is a systematic hole to be exploited on the tote, and without any evidence other than the story told here I think that someone didn't close the race and that for some reason the auto-timer function to close those races wasn't set....if this is true in the first place.

The integrity problem is the tote's. We know that bookmakers won't stand for staff diddling them, but none of us trust the tote to be on the ball with their staff and block corruption if there is any. Of course there is a difference that the public play against the bookmaker while on the tote they play against themselves and cost each other.

Bookmaking is one of those businesses that really is built on trust. Casinos, for example, display the results of their machines for the public to see in they are interested. The tote may have got to the point where they need to show audited evidence to assure their customers. They have to decide whether or not it's a crisis for them, and if they let their customers come to this conclusion without them, they will tank.

This is a waste of time for me, as a punter and a student of things racing, the tote is for suckers and amounts to a tax on the stupid. The rake is usury, trust is extremely low, service is horrible, pools have been ravaged by inflation and we expect nothing good.

All that may sound extreme, but in servicing stakes to the absolute maximum did anyone think to reinvest some of the profits for slightly better customer experience? I think there is a fable about that, something about killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

I had a very interesting discussion with a friend who has been punting for 40 years plus. Along the way he owned shares in horses. His view is that the powers that be would love local racing to collapse. This may not be as absurd as it sounds. No local racing equates to significantly lower staffing and costs. The die hards would then spend their money on overseas racing.

Some of the older clansmen may remember the Equine Flu outbreak in 1986 where no racing took place in South Africa besides in KZN who somehow escaped the scourge. Back in those days there was no televised racing outside of the SABC covering big days and we used to sit in Wits Tatts listening to races on the "blower". Well all the Joburg die hards bet into KZN racing. It will be similar with overseas fare if the local content disappears.

You get the government you deserve!

Well, the actual quote is: "“The government you elect is the government you deserve.” — Thomas Jefferson.

The colour holders have been the collective that has decided everything in my time in racing. So the buck stops there I would say.