SABOAT

Right,

the numbers are increasing. I have created a landing page. Via YOUR trainer or as a trainer please register. Once we hit critical mass I will create
a think tank and we will create our plan for OUR future as owners and trainers. BY supporting this YOU are making sure that the past remains firmly in the past.

We will negotiate with some people from the past BUT on OUR terms. We will support our sport through these tough times. We will continue to feed our horses
and race for less stakes BUT on our terms and conditions.

We will NOT make money from this group, we will NOT plunder our resources.

We ARE here to talk BUT 1st we MUST talk by getting the numbers then we will talk by NOT NOMINATING ( our absolute last resort) then our representatives will talk round the table.

The past MUST be eradicated. End of.

AND this is not only for the trainers and owners sake. We must as an organisation respect and value

1: the grooms
2: the punter
3: the suppliers
4: the staff in associated areas.
5: Everyone in our beloved sport

History shows ME that this thing will fail, History shows me that many will say they on board but when the chips are down they will falter.

Nothing I can do about history. BUT for the sake of my beloved sport the rumours Im hearing about 50% stakes and a new "consortium" in the ranks ready to
come on board and run it is just as scary as the current people continuing to run our SPORT.

Folks now is the time. I have spoken to 23 trainers and they are committed.

We are in this for the long haul whether we like it or not. Things are going to be tough BUT NO WAY are we the trainers and owners carrying
the sport only for those that either continue or come in on the shiny white horse to benefit financially from our pain and suffering.

www.saboat.org

Also I ask respectfully that one or both of the POWERHOUSE ( light blue or black and red or black and yellow) families in SA racing contact me , my number is not hard to find. I know my vision and it's sometimes difficult to portray in words. I like to talk.

Either way mark my words UNLESS we get enough numbers and stand together we will ALL suffer.

Hi Easy I hope you get the support you need and obviously you have quite a few names from the training ranks. I am purely guessing however that the majority would be smaller trainers and I hope im wrong but it would be interesting to know if the big stables like Tarry ,MDK, Snaith, Bass Robinson and maybe

Sorry finger trouble ..a Drier and Van Zyl yards are buying into your ideas. In sure if they are in you would have a better chance to make it work.

Hi easy

Just some inputs from my side.

Firstly we are all well of the current situation racing is in and this was before the “virus”.

Just that I fully understand your approach, is your call to get all trainers to sign up to boycott nominations of future races, until racing organizations take note of your call to change the current situation.

At the same time, I am sure you would be aware that people like MDK and Tarry etc with their strong client base might not be in favour of the breakaway or new group?
Incidentally they may have already joined up, I am just using as examples.

So the situation will be, that for sure we will be running for reduced stakes, possibly for a long time, it was going to happen and now the virus makes it official.

We would have nominations and only MDK, Tarry etc nominate their horses, and your group of small trainers and owners don’t.
So the races get run with fields comprising of smaller fields, the reduced prize money on offer will go to bigger trainers and owners and the smaller owners will continue to pay their trainers without runners.
I sometimes get the impression that this is already the plan in the Cape?

I might be missing the concept, however if you do manage to capture racing and get your foot in the door to be heard as a respected body, I will give you my views on what model I think could work below as far as the betting side.

NATIONAL RACING EXCHANGE.

I would break Punting into 3 sections

1)The “exchange” itself would only be for horses, both locally and international.
Only win and place bets in this section.
Bets would be matched and should have no liquidity problems just “matching “ bets and a percentage would be taken from the winning player towards the running of racing.

2) The “tote” section would cater for all exotics and again only on horse racing and a % would be deducted from pool and allocated to racing.

3) “Bookmakers” they would do all sports, numbers, etc everything with the exception of horse racing but would obviously play a big part in the exchange, however it would be expected that the laws would change where we would allow punter to punter as well as punter to bookie.
A % of this could be used towards racing and sports in general.

Wish you well.

Dave

Guess you need to pull some of the big fish ........

Ok last resort is not to nominate, so the sheer weight in numbers should give you enough pull ?

Dave

Thanks all I am trying to do is gather numbers of like minded people. There are many that even tonight have been on the phone asking what is it that saboat.org is planning to do.

There is no boycotting of any races. That is the absolute last resort and frankly one i cannot see ever happening. Having said that in the UK it had the required effect.

Onto SA matters. We all know the form of the past. ALL the form. Who was ostracised and criticised when these issues were highlighted. Indeed it was only MY toning down that allowed me to even remain on this forum.

Over the years though i would like to think that certain on here have grown to at least understand that was was said before has turned out to be real and the keyboard warriors and vagabonds were actually telling the truth.

Enough about the past.

The future ONLY works if we have a voice. I know that behind the scenes there are new people in certain bodies BUT the common thoughts with the people I'm talking to is as usual there is ZERO communication.

Owners and trainers are worried, animals have to be fed and watered. The prime minister added another 2 weeks to the lockdown. Im telling you add another 4 to that.

We have never as owners and trainers ever had such an opportunity to work together and get our ducks in a row.

I am NOT anti change and I know personally 1 member of the RA board and I know MDK is sound. I know MDK is NOT for sale. I trust MDK however he is only but 1. I also trust Steve Reid and Paulo Do Carmo and I most certainly trust Adv Brett Masselle. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THESE PEOPLE these are just mere examples of racing people that i trust.

Some of those lads should be receiving apologies from the RA and asked to come in and contribute positively to the rebirth of SA racing.

We all know that won't happen so all I ask is join up, remain anonymous (i won't divulge any names until we hit the right number) Ill post a 1st draft of a constitution and then the members I have gathered can vote for a representative that will take our request forward and hopefully we can make correct decisions be the norm.

stay safe everyone

j

Thanks Easy.

I am sure you are aware that transparency has always been a problem, it requires to have some action plan in place to change the way racing has been run over the last few years.

If we consider we have heard about the "saviours of racing" and now " the new task team"
I might be mistaken but nothing has been circulated, no minutes, no names, no action plan on what to expect?

How can people support change if there is no transparency of what we want to achieve?

Are you talking RA, Phumelela, GC and NHRA as part of the change?

Lets take RA as example ;

I am sure we were all proud when our colours were approved and we wore our badge with pride.

If not mistaken the RA was made up of mostly self made wealthy gents with own businesses with an interest and passion in horse racing that would give their time up to support the game and receive a minimal contribution.

So a suggestion would be to go back to this model and use RA funds towards racing kitty?

I could go on and happy to contribute towards a think tank.

However have other priorities with the new extended lockdown, must say talking to family in UK you guys are certainly not subjected to SA rules and regulations.

Keep safe

....and maybe someone should tell Easy that Steve Reid and Brett Maselle are no longer directly involved with racing ....Brett has handed in his colors and Steve and many others are watching from the sidelines....a better idea would have been to get MDK Charles Savage and other RA big hitters on the board to force a previous concerned owner aligned candidate into the RA CEO position....instead of trying to take them on with a new organization......:huh:

The reason the RA had a yearly fee was astounding to me.

If we have a body (which I am proposing) representing trainers and owners then do we not contribute enough already?
It has to be free.
So even if the RA rebrand and comet with some really cool and long term plans. We have seen tis before. As recently as 6 weeks ago they advertised for a position paying R2m a year. I have spoken to so many trainers already that would take R20 k right now just to see the next 2 weeks through.

So its all wrong. Then you have the bilateral agreements between them and the listed company. There are decisions made there that remind me of JR Ewing.

The semantics and day to day politics is going to be difficult to get everyone to agree. BUT surely every single owner and trainer wants horseracing to survive? If they do they need to stand together and most importantly we need to POLICE the POLICE old or new.

Tab news from Justin Snaith

Racing’s road ahead

“Slowly the right people are being put in the right positions to turn this industry around. I’m very happy to see new faces in the right places, and see light at the end of the tunnel. We will figure it out.

“There is so much effort going on behind the scenes to revive SA racing, and there are changes coming. Things may have to get worse before they get better, but racing will come out stronger in the long run” concludes the natural optimist.


Well at least Justin appears to know what's happening??
Good news at last ?

You can take it EASY

I hope you succeed Easy as it's obvious SA racing needs major changes.
The thing I really would like to know is how are you planning to bring new owners into this game?That's what we really need as when the current owners aren't around anymore there's going to be no one to buy horses.
With such poor prize money on offer and probably 90% of current owners not making any sort of profit it's never going to be a good investment.
Times are already hard and will get tougher so it's hard to see new blood coming in at these terms,people just won't have extra cash to splash on luxuries like horse racing especially when it costs around R10 000 per month with no money coming back for months if not years on end.