Tote Betting / Tellytrack

I just put TOTE into the ABC search engine and got 14 000 results and 700 pages, most pretty negative tbh!

So i thought it would be an idea to start a thread for you guys that have found so many issues over the years to put forward ideas on how both the TOTE and Tellytrack could move forward under the new company.

Let`s not be negative and post sack him, replace him etc .... Rather post what you would like improved to make your service and ultimately racing better.

Bob, I believe that all the feedback that I, Eram, Durbs, Muthi, L J, Naresh (to mention but a few names that comes to mind) and many others have posted have been done so in the best interest of both the tote and punters. They were suggestions that would either drive transparency, turnover, and / or attractiveness as a betting option.

We are reasonable people and wouldn't post stuff like give us a free R100 to bet on per race. After some point, though, it started to feel like we were posting messages akin to exactly that, based on the responses or lack thereof, which is probably why I've stopped posting on the tote issues altogether.

Just as you can do a search, I believe it is simple enough for the "tote" to do a search themselves and find the feedback themselves, should they so wish to view the opinions of the lowly punter. Certainly I for one have past the point in which I will be rehashing many long since drawn out discussions that have been had on here with no positive change forthcoming, UNTIL, that is, there is some indication of being open to suggestions from the tote.

.....since I was once married to the tote.....let me kick this off.....it needs big money for a complete make over....a new integrated betting system.....this patch and plug with second hand out dated hardware and software needs to be replaced.....then the human capital.....needs training and to be managed by proper qualified managers not the okes from Edcon....here is a hint.....these tote/telephone operators have attitude because they see us sicko's pissing money away when they are struggling to make ends meet....they must be trained to service the needs of us sicko's because we are ultimately paying their salaries.....without us there are no jobs......:whistle:

.....with TT it is so messed up who knows where to start.....those okes have had so many bosses with no idea.... they are now like chameleons on a smartie box....:blush:

.....and how ironic.....while posting the above the tote caught a wobbly an went down.....now if I were the sicko feeding the gynie cart action this morning.....they get NADA while we sickos cant get into our accounts....:S

I think the most important message that I have always tried to convey is that "these negative posters on ABC" are actually YOUR customers.

If they adopt an attitude where the customer is KING it will make a huge difference.

The tote needs to get the customer base back.
The intellectual property of the tote exotic bets should never have been lost to the open bet.

The deposit/withdraw should be made easy.
The co mingling and carry over policy should be explained and transparent to all customers.
There should NEVER be a R1.00 return on any RISK punt.

As far as TT don't really have much of a problem, they try to show as much racing as possible, split screen is ok and normal on other channels.
I am fortunate to have access to all the bookies UK channels and watch dogs, horses, special football and sporting prices etc.

We all have our likes and dislikes as far as personalities are concerned, would say: try and tell the punters how the horse looked in parade ring, how it went to start, and if possible what the trainer says, don't repeat what the form and price is, as that is readily available.

Good punting

Bring back couplings in the P6 and Jackpot...more return of money to punters means more churn and more take-out to fund racing...

Do the simple things exceptionally well even if if means reducing the number of betting options and add new bet types as good habits are entrenched...

Display the correct information...

Weed out the manipulation of tote payouts by auditing any movements between "Race Closed" and dividends declared...

Transparency..."no comment" by a trainer about their runners should be a fine-able action - don't expect punters to risk their money that is funding the stakes with no information forthcoming...

I must admit that bringing back the couplings, while a good idea in theory, wouldn't really work in reality. Example, Fairview, you'd get the whole field by having 2 or 3 horses in some races. Would make the pick 6 less attractive for me, as the only reason I subject myself to the large takeout currently is knowing I'm likely playing for a R1m payout (dream). They could perhaps consider the couplings back for the Jackpot to differentiate that bet from the p6, as currently I don't play Jackpots if my P6 is still in.

Transparency..."no comment" by a trainer about their runners should be a fine-able action - don't expect punters to risk their money that is funding the stakes with no information forthcoming...

This is a difficult call and it should be the owners call IMO .

Thor wrote: I must admit that bringing back the couplings, while a good idea in theory, wouldn't really work in reality. Example, Fairview, you'd get the whole field by having 2 or 3 horses in some races. Would make the pick 6 less attractive for me, as the only reason I subject myself to the large takeout currently is knowing I'm likely playing for a R1m payout (dream). They could perhaps consider the couplings back for the Jackpot to differentiate that bet from the p6, as currently I don't play Jackpots if my P6 is still in.

.....yeah too late now.....those rocket geniuses really f@cked it up....did not mind the wallet sapping churnover when I was regularly rewarded with a big P6 win due to the wrong one winning.....these days I dont even play P6 's as the daily pools are not big enough to warrant bigger perms with lower %'s

Thor wrote: I must admit that bringing back the couplings, while a good idea in theory, wouldn't really work in reality. Example, Fairview, you'd get the whole field by having 2 or 3 horses in some races. Would make the pick 6 less attractive for me, as the only reason I subject myself to the large takeout currently is knowing I'm likely playing for a R1m payout (dream). They could perhaps consider the couplings back for the Jackpot to differentiate that bet from the p6, as currently I don't play Jackpots if my P6 is still in.

In my thinking P6 bet is same or close to taking the lotto 6 numbers. It should be worth the risk and reward. As much as we punters want to 'catch' P6 everyday, it loses its lacklustre and challenge involved and we end up seeing PA dividends on P6 bets. In UK there is SCOOP6 and its carried over week in week out and the system of races selection is complex and makes the punters job more difficult as MOST races are Handicap with fav 4/1. HKJC has Triple trio and its not an easy bet to the extent that Bill Benter wrote an algorithim to win the bet www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-...he-horse-racing-code .
Gambling should never be easy as much as punters want return on their investment.

For me, no couplings.

Lots of things can be done, or introduced.

In USA, their Pick 6, every meeting a portion of the Pick 6 goes to a unique pool whereby if there is only one winner, that person scoops that unique pool, plus the pool of the Pick 6 on that day. For example,

If there is no outright winner of the Pick 6 in meeting one, then for example 10% of the pool gets carried forwarded to the next meeting and so on until there is only one unique wager to catch the bet. Punters still can take their fractional betting here but this will entice punters to have at least one ticket with a full percentage to catch the Unique Pool. The unique pool can become mandatory. Here the mandatory payout can be on our big racedays.